@matrix That's the sole reason I mostly use GOG.

DRM free baby :aqua_yeah:

And I have every single installer downloaded

@waltercool
Yep. That's the only way how you can own your games.

@matrix @waltercool But what's the point of "owning" it if you can just buy it on steam for it's features and then pirate the GOG version later for the same effect if you need to?

@applejack
You can do that too. The law might object but morally you didn't do anything wrong.
@waltercool

@matrix @Charfuhrer @Usagi @waltercool Cmon, those jews deserved those hypothetical lost profits you deprived them of by copying data

@matrix @applejack @Charfuhrer @waltercool how about; It's worth the money but the people it would be going to do not deserve it, or there is no reasonable method to obtain it, therefore I will consume it all the same whilst not giving jack shit to the bad actors involved.

@Usagi @applejack @waltercool @Charfuhrer No, if they deserve it is part of the value. If you don't think they deserve it don't use it.
If you consume without paying YOU are the bad actor.
The only exception is probably abandonware or content the government censored. While still technically stealing, the people behind it have no way of getting your money.

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@matrix @Usagi @waltercool @Charfuhrer "They deserve to get payed because I say so, even if everyone consents" generally comes more from socialist types than libertarian types

>If you don't think they deserve it don't use it
Why?

> YOU are the bad actor
According to who?

>While still technically stealing
Nothing is stolen. They lose nothing. You posted the same NFT memes as everyone else about copying data, and that's all it is

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@applejack @Usagi @waltercool @Charfuhrer The conversation started around piracy and piracy implies lack of consent. If the owner consents then it isn't piracy.

Why? If the thing someone is selling was valuable enough to you, that value would overweight your moral objections to who deserves what and you would pay for it. If that doesn't happen you don't need to have it.

According to who? I dunno who's the authority on that.
Bad actor in this case is someone who breaks or undermines contracts which is what piracy is.

I'm memeing on nfts because it's reinventing shit that already exists and does it poorly, not because I'm against intelectual property. Afaik they just store a md5 hash meaning I change 1 pixel, hash changes and therefore I made a new thing I can mint.
Also the actual content is on Google Drive or some other cloud.

@dsfgs
I didn't know Steam used Cloudflare. For some reason I assumed Steam built their own CDN.
@applejack @Usagi @waltercool @Charfuhrer

@matrix @dsfgs @applejack @Usagi @waltercool @Charfuhrer i think they partially use multiple CDNs depending on region and mostly for static media content (i.e. store screenshots, posters etc), i don't think they're using cloudflare for pages and not for game downloads.

Also best i can tell steam isn't blocked in russia, but payment options are blocked, at some point paypal was still available but then paypal itself pulled out, you can still use wallet balance and possibly obtain gift cards/ask friends to gift you money.
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