Herace Siinclaiir 
If only Da would join in but that website is a lost fucking cause....i gave up on DA way long time ago when Wix acquire the website.
Also how can you offer NFT / DA "protection" and generated ai art services at the same time??????empty.png
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@siinclaiir they care about artists but not enough to not profit out of them it seems.
To be honest, i think it's the users, the ARTISTS, and not the companies, who are gonna steer the trend to the good way. More people need to join these voices that demand to artists to be respected in the spaces created for them, and even more if such sites already ask money for premium treatement.
@book @siinclaiir If people don't care abour artist, then they don't care about art, they just like "pretty things"
That's some bullshit. If art requires meta knowledge than art has no inherent value.
@Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book
Yes, if you only care about the final result then art is meaningless.
The final result is the only part that has meaning. A half finished drawing in inherently less valuable than a finished one, and the finished piece can and should be evaluated separate from other considerations.
@Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book
If people only care about the final result and do not care about the motivations and struggles that are behind it, then it's something that will end up fading over time because it's something that's just "there".
There's this album by Metallica called "St. Anger" that every fan of Metallica likes to hate, and they hate it because to them it sounds awful and very different of what Metallica was doing until them.,
If you are someone who only cares about the final resul the story ends here, the album is shit, discarded, next thing.
But then this documental called "Some Kind of Monster" comes along which is all about how this album was produced, and you end up seeing that there was a lot of struggle, change and internal conflict present in the making of this album, then the album suddenly takes another dimension, you pay more attention to the lyrics and the sounds ad then you see this struggle reflected on the sounds being produced by the band.
The majority of fans still likes to discard the album and they go to the more clinically produced albums because "they sound better", and since they don't really appreciate the band, just what they produce, they fail to see that there's something to appreciate right there.
To me, it became my favourite album of them ever.
If you only care about art because of the story behind it you don't care about the art, but the story behind it.
>If people only care about the final result and do not care about the motivations and struggles that are behind it, then it's something that will end up fading over time because it's something that's just "there".
This is just demonstrable untrue. Art is remembered because of the effect it has on people, and most people won't know anything about the production of their favorite art. Think about some of the oldest art that still remains in the public mind, now think about what you know of it's production. In most cases it'll be nothing, because nobody knows anything about it's production. Have they "faded"?
You're devaluing art as a whole by propping up mediocre products because there's a neat story behind them.
@Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book
They haven't faded in the popular conscience because of their age and significance but are basically a meme for most people at this point. If someone doesn't really care about Davinci then for that person the Giocond would just have importance as someting that looks nice but that's all.
If i'm devaluating art by trying to state that people should be more aware of the inherent content of some piece of art and not caring only about the final piece because it looks nice even if it was made by cold steel? then okay.
>They haven't faded in the popular conscience because of their age and significance but are basically a meme for most people at this point. If someone doesn't really care about Davinci then for that person the Giocond would just have importance as someting that looks nice but that's all.
Something that looks nice is literally all any painting will ever be, and that's enough. The experience that looking at a picture gives you is what gives it it's artistic value. You degrade pictures as a whole by acting like just looking at them isn't enough. I know literally nothing about the attached picture except the picture itself. It is able to invoke an emotional response in me despite that. It is that response that gives it artistic value. To claim that I need to know who made it and how in order to gain value from it devalues the art, and places that value on outside information.
>If i'm devaluating art by trying to state that people should be more aware of the inherent content of some piece of art and not caring only about the final piece because it looks nice even if it was made by cold steel? then okay.
Anything not included in the final piece is by definition not inherent. Information on how/why/where/when/by whom something was made is meta knowledge and not inherent to the art. If sans that information the art has no value than art has no inherent value. I'm saying that the most important part of art by a dominating amount is the finished product. The only way to interact with a picture is to look at it. Learning about it is a different activity, and to claim that the significance of a picture rides on doing so means that the picture in and of itself has no value. You don't actually care about the picture, meaning that the picture has no inherent value.
Does intentionality give art value? That's what I'm gathering with your last line. A machine doesn't create with intention, it's just input/output. I don't believe art has to be intentional. My favorite painting ever was drawn by a toddler finger painting smears onto a canvas. There was no intention there, the kid probably didn't even know what was happening. It was de-facto random. I could and did look at it for hours at a time, and loved it. Random chance just happened to make something beautiful.
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>even if it was made by cold steel?
You are hot meat. That's not better.