@Publius @matrix
> basic logic
> No foundation provided that could explain this prediction

@cereal @matrix before the mass importation of Muslims as well as feminists redefining the word rape to mean when a woman finds you ugly. The rape rate was decreasing as the availability of prostitutes and porn became more widespread and acceptable.

Its also easy to find all the evidence debunking the people linking gaming and Dungeons and Dragons to satanic worship and violent crime.

I'm just applying one similar case to another.

@cereal @matrix

Nobody would actually do research into the link between the amount of loli hentai and the rate of child rape because they would be a laughing stock in the academic community and assumed to be a pedophile.

So my logic has to come from somewhat comparable cases

@Publius @cereal @matrix FWIW, a woman who worked for the ACLU named Nadine Strossen (probably Jewish) wrote a book called Defending Pornography in which she provided statistics showing that the Netherlands and Japan, which allow depictions of minors in pornography and even allow women as young as 16 to appear in pornographic productions, had lower rates of child molestation than average.

I myself could never get behind criminalizing fictional works like drawings or stories, but I think the pedos who are into them should keep that stuff to themselves and keep a low profile, as posting it openly could lead to normalization, which could in turn create a dangerous environment for children. I don't like the sexualization of children that I've been seeing in our culture over the last few decades (Bratz dolls, etc.).

@cereal @Publius @matrix
> They are the same as the people who think violent videogames cause violence.
> Despite violent crime rates having fallen.

Drawing a parallel to another claim of fiction influencing personality.
Looks like a decent foundation to me, and it's pretty basic.

Is your post ironic?

@SystemSock @matrix @cereal

Child predators disgust me, don't get me wrong. But unfortunately they are always going to exist and making something illegal doesn't stop it happening. No matter how large your woodchipper is.

So offering an outlet for them to vent their desires before a child rape happens seems a far better outcome than punishing them after they have raped a child or filmed a video of a real life naked child.

@Publius @matrix @cereal And if the step out of line, you can track them via shipping manifest.
Just go over the list of anyone who ordered a child-size doll.
Simple as

@SystemSock @matrix @cereal

Yeah. I'd be happy with a system were victinless alternatives like loli drawings and silicon dolls are legal and encouraged. But as soon their is any evidence of an actual child being harmed, then absolutely no mercy.

@Publius @SystemSock @matrix @cereal Nope

If you give an outlet to this, you are condoning those feelings. Simple as. They need to be attracted only to sexually mature people or be executed.

@natsock @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix

That’s one of the most retarded things I’ve ever read. It’s the same logic feminists use to try to ban adult sex dolls: it might stimulate misogynist behavior because dolls can’t consent. It’s pure female “logic”, aka no logic at all but emotion-led decision making.

@MrNobody @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix ban all sex dolls faggot, have sex with a real person in holy matrimony

@natsock @MrNobody @Publius @cereal @matrix You are an embarrassment to socks everywhere.

@SystemSock @MrNobody @Publius @cereal @matrix it appears the brother wars will never truly end

@MrNobody @natsock @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix

> That’s one of the most retarded things I’ve ever read. It’s the same logic feminists use to try to ban adult sex dolls:

It's not.
At least not nearly as obviously as you make it out to be.

You can observe the dimming of a stimulus over pretty much every human endeavor that involves any stimuli.

Drug users need to up their dosage.
Connoisseurs of every stripe get ever more excentric in their tastes. ( food , wine, music, clothes, tatoos)
And yes, perverts sink deeper the more they indulge.

Now peddlers of pornography will deny the last point and psychologists of the freudian persuasion will too, so will "sexologists",
BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE FUCKING PERVERTS THEMSELVES!

( i'm serious, show me a psychologist without a lose screw )

@mute_city @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock So? If that’s the case they’ll buy another doll. Are we gonna play minority report now because every single action a person take might lead them into a “criminal pipeline”?? It’s completely irrational.

No, we simply do not welcome - and, in fact, violently reject - anything that appeases pedophiles in the public space. That doesn’t mean we’ve defeated pedophilia worldwide, but it’s the right way to handle it.

@MrNobody @mute_city @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix

@natsock @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @mute_city >No, we simply do not welcome - and, in fact, violently reject - anything that appeases pedophiles in the public space

I understand that, but let’s not pretend it’s because of some noble rational reason. It’s a completely emotional decision that will not have the desired results because it has a false premise.

Disagree, it is sound social engineering.

@MrNobody @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @mute_city

@MrNobody @mute_city @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

No. There are evil behaviors that we can categorize as such. You get to the most evil behaviors from “lesser” evil behaviors.

If you do not draw lines, social or legal, you will get evil and violence.

Humans are made for relationships and community. They are not made to be exploited. The image of humans is not made to be exploited. Dolls and toys encouraging this behavior is functionally unable to be separated from media portraying or recording paedo behavior.

You’re reinforcing the idea that it’s okay, not diverting the energy as supposed.

@toonstop @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @mute_city @natsock

breathing -> living -> stepping on bugs -> killing small animals to eat -> killing more animals for no reason -> killing people for pleasure

Oh my god, let’s ban breathing!

@MrNobody @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @mute_city @natsock

Cool to know you’re not interested in following the specific logic of escalation in violent and exploitative behaviors. Excellent representation of your character and thought process.

@MrNobody @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

> Are we gonna play minority report now because every single action a person take might lead them into a “criminal pipeline”??

Why always these ridiculous hyperboles?
You don't need anything drastic.
Unless personal freedom is a god you pray to you just say no as a society to all pedo stuff.

In order to not surveil everyone who might be a ticking bomb you DISCRIMINATE against the entire group that has those bombs in them and don't give them their fetish fuel.

@mute_city @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

>If you do not draw lines, social or legal, you will get evil and violence.

I draw the line on real children.

@MrNobody @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

I draw the line on real children.

I used to think like that too. What motivates your fierce opposition to drawing the line a few meters further out, just to be sure?

@mute_city @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

I don’t really believe in the slippery slope argument that degenerates will eventually want to try the real thing (sometimes a fetish is just a fetish), and I believe that we need solid, tangible definitions for crime in order to avoid government abuse and persecution of political opponents or otherwise (I believe australia and canada have jailed people for importing manga or figurines, for example), or the gradual degradation of the rights by the government.

If we don’t have solid, principled definitions, it is my belief that vote-seeking leeches will eventually amplify the definition of a “potential criminal” to broader and broader horizons so they can show their voters they are performing work to diminish crime, even though this work does absolutely nothing to remedy the real problem. Where will it stop? If we allow for something that harms no one to be prosecuted as if it were a crime because of the possibility that it may eventually lead into another crime that does real harm, then anything can one day become criminal by the discretion of those that can enforce it.

And then there are technical problems. At what breast size does a cartoon/doll stop looking like a child and starts resembling a grown woman? Looks like this will be a subjective decision by some random bloke who may not like your face.

@MrNobody @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

Reasonable enough, i will disagree regardless. Just one snide i can not resist:

I don’t really believe in the slippery slope argument that degenerates […]

You did notice that the rest of your argumentation contains several slippery slope arguments?

@mute_city @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

I did indeed notice it. But I think the slippery slope argument applies just fine when the government is concerned, as the mask mandates have proven. If there’s one thing the government likes is gaining more power, and rarely giving it up.

@MrNobody @Publius @SystemSock @cereal @matrix @natsock

> But I think the slippery slope argument applies just fine when the government is concerned

No arguments there.
Me and the majority of the people you were arguing with don't really care about reigning in powers of currently existing governments.
We have long since given up on thinking about how they can be fixed, only fire will do.
Maybe that's the biggest misunderstanding.

@mute_city @matrix @Publius @natsock @MrNobody @cereal @SystemSock Why isn't this enforced with something like "hardcore porn and/or bdsm => real life rape"

Because rape is based.

@applejack @mute_city @matrix @Publius @MrNobody @cereal @SystemSock

@natsock @cereal @matrix @Publius @mute_city @MrNobody @SystemSock But "raping" prime little girls is "unbased". Curious.

@natsock @Publius @cereal @matrix No, I do not.
That's the same reasons that leads you to criminalizing violent video games, and even books containing anything other than sunshine and rainbows.

Fact: Pedophiles will exist.

You choices are:
A) Allow the market to supply an alternative that doesn't violate anyone's rights.
That may reduce actual child abuse.

B) Do nothing.
Wait for the next incident, hoping there will be enough evidence to catch the culprit.


I am being pragmatic.
You are in an ideological straight jacket.
I agree with your general sentiment... but you position is a fantasy.

@SystemSock @Publius @cereal @matrix you aren’t being pragmatic, you are making the assumption that integrating pedophilia will in some way reduce the presence of pedophiles

@natsock @Publius @cereal @matrix Has banning right-wing ideas and the people who hold them from mainstream media made the right-wing weaker?

Demand drives the market.
It's a constraint of reality.
Accept it, or struggle in vain.

I don't care either way, I'm just a sock.

Has banning right-wing ideas and the people who hold them from mainstream media made the right-wing weaker?

YES

@SystemSock @Publius @cereal @matrix

@natsock @matrix @cereal @SystemSock

There is a massive difference between letting pedos have child sized sex dolls and having advertisements on daytime television for said sex dolls and having TV programmes which is just loli hentai

“My girlfriend wants to fuck black guys, so I bought her a black dildo to use when she gets the urge. Problem solved!”

@Publius @matrix @cereal @SystemSock

@SystemSock @natsock @Publius @cereal @matrix

>You choices are:

>A) Allow the market to supply an alternative that doesn't violate anyone's rights.
Like children who are manipulated by pedophiles to "consent"

>B) Do nothing.
Also unacceptable

There's another choice, violence and castration

@natsock @matrix @cereal @SystemSock @Publius You're doing the exact thing he said. Emotional reaction without considering reality. And the vast vast majority of men are attracted to girls who aren't "sexually mature"

@applejack @matrix @cereal @SystemSock @Publius wrong, you are being emotional and effeminate by not killing pedos. I need to assume you are a pedo.

@natsock @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock No, you're being emotional and irrational by conforming to the Jewish morality without considering reality or the past. Being overly emotional is a feminine trait btw

"just kill them" doesn't work because they need to get caught first, which is why @Publius talked about prevention.

The age of consent has always been around puberty (and generally loosely enforced anyway) until feminism pushed it up in the early 20th century. It's an artificial, Jewish imposed morality to prevent people from getting married young. This applied to every time and culture in the past.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v16n02_03

I am a pedophile.

@applejack @natsock @cereal @matrix @SystemSock

>Sneedville, Tennesee

Holy shit. Based

Let’s see how your appeals for rationality play to the impassioned executioner who puts two bullets in your brain.

@applejack @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock

@natsock @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock "waaaaaa i am an emotional woman face the wall boohoo"

next you're gonna say "racism bad cuz its mean :( cuz tv said so :(((((("

“You’re acting like a woman! You’re acting like a woman!”

*BLAM*

@applejack @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock

@natsock @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock Gonna keep *BLAM*ing me with your keyboard?

@applejack @natsock @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock
We talking about pedos again? Into padded cell you go pedo, we start electroshock therapy tomorrow.

@WhiteTemplar @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock @natsock Is ERPing trad now?

@applejack @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock @natsock
Not liking big mature tidders is a mental illness and there is nothing that can convince me otherwise.

@WhiteTemplar @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock @natsock
Why are you so scared of doubting yourself?

If you think you’re convincing people that you are valuable and we need you alive - you aren’t.

@applejack @WhiteTemplar @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock

@natsock @WhiteTemplar @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock
"We" - some fat loser in his basement

"u r undur our conthrol we do nout 4give expkt us"

idk if larp or cope but it seems like both

@applejack @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock @natsock
Into the padded cell sir.

@applejack

The important detail i believe you’re forgeting here is of the entire concept of “age of consent” being about marriage and not sex.

Jews werent just the first to push for a change in age of consent laws but they also made it entirley around sex. The best proof of this is of one of the events which happened in britain which sparked concern that the femenist jews got a hold of was where a journalist heard rumours of young girls being sold in brothels, ones as young as 12. Unfortunatley it was indebbted fathers who had put them into this position. The solution they gave though, was not to ban brothels or prostitution, but to raise the age of consent so it wasnt 12 year old girls being legally fornicated but 16 YOs instead.

Age of consent laws changing in any other time period before this was for legalistic marriage reasons. Many european countries had laws where the AOC was 7, 9, 12, or 14. And they mostly stayed the same since the 12th century.

Jewish influence had interpretted this law in the first bastsardization they could find. By making it about a sinful act of pre-marital sex. Where theres no courting, no standard, no family backing or establishing of a long lasting relationship. These are the only real evils i think have been caused.

Frankly though, i think youre a cum brain and a gross fool. And i wouldnt desire to interact with you ever again after this

@JimMorkov I 100% agree. I meant it in exactly the way you put it. It's not about casual sex, it's about marriage. By all means, make casual sex and prostitution illegal.

@JimMorkov And with the evils, it becomes worse the older women become. Obviously the more time they spend unmarried while sexually available just means more time for "experiences". First thing the Jaffe Memo mentions is to delay or eliminate marriage.

MSM people will lose their socks because of "child marriage" happening in the States, but then turn around and celebrate soulless sexual tranny shit taught to kids. It's obvious why they have a problem with one but not the other.

@applejack @natsock @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock This is interesting material. It's never discussed in the mainstream or in polite society. The ranks of feminists were filled with old maids whose vanity and jealousy would naturally lead them to oppose men coupling with pubescent girls. As a practical, not necessarily moral, matter, men should still abide by age of consent laws. No vagina is worth going to jail for.

@applejack @natsock @cereal @matrix @Publius @SystemSock A couple of factors to consider in why our ancestors were getting married so young are that average life expectancy was much lower and there were no public schools. The transition from childhood to adulthood was abrupt; people weren't wasting 12 years of their lives in the school system like they are today. Take the case of Ben Franklin, for example. By age 10 he had quit school, and by 12 he was working as a printer's apprentice. When he was 15, he founded a newspaper. The average college student today hasn't reached that level of maturity.