@matrix if what I've seen on sadpanda is any indication, machine translation is worse than untranslated. It makes olddog rewrites and DUWANG look like high literature.

@coldacid @matrix machine translation of colloquial Japanese doesn't work.

@Moon @matrix fuck, machine translation of colloqualisms between two languages in the same language sub-family doesn't work. There's no fucking way we'll have JP<->EN translation as the languages are spoke without having general AI first.

@coldacid @matrix I need to try the Amazon one to see if it's any better. I doubt it but worth a shot.

@Moon @matrix when Google Translate can go between English and German colloqualisms without butchered or untranslated terms, I might believe any kind of translation between Indo-European and Japonic languages /might/ have a chance of not being entirely fucked up.

@Moon @coldacid @matrix A big problem with translating Japanese is how often subjects are dropped from sentences in Japanese. Deciphering who did what to whom becomes much harder without those.

@heavensfeel @coldacid @matrix it seems like a significant amount of writing even intentionally uses this ambiguity

@Moon @matrix @heavensfeel @coldacid
really isn't difficult for humans, (and spoken english does much the same; just fewer-ly when written) but now-computer can't into selective memory and world-modelling; need something nearer proper agi, both model-breadth and conscious attending

same reason there's no threat of "computers doing the programming for you"; already exists and is called a compiler; still need to tell it what you want