@p yeah, US freeway exit straight to city streets is insane. at least Texas had a good idea with frontage roads

@matrix Oh, no, everyone has those, we just call them access roads. I think there are other names.

@p
Marginal roads is another one
@matrix

@r000t @p @matrix negroads

@p that's just city streets though

@matrix Oh, I see what you're saying. Nah, look at the length of the off-ramps.

The 110 north of the interchange is more like the thing you're describing and it can be a legit terror to drive on.

@matrix @p I think the more insane stuff is layering roads via bridges being a normal thing in US.
While freeways in the middle of cities I've seen that in europe few times, but they've typically been removed/repurposed in the last decade or so.

@lanodan @p Italy is fun.

Why is layering bad? You avoid junctions and so decrease congestion.

@lanodan @p r8 my city design

@matrix @p Layers thing typically means just moving the junctions somewhere else and having access ramps to go in/out of them.
And when you do it US style it's several layers rather than just bridge across a highway kind of thing that's comparable to like a bridge across a railroad (while railroad crossings sucks).

@lanodan @p oh, i think i know what you mean.
this one is cool

@matrix @lanodan Ha, the freeways in Cyberpunk were done by a Japanese city designer, and you can tell.

@p @matrix American cities are so weird, like a grid and naming an area "Commerce" is dystopian

@ergo @p @matrix How about "City of Industry"?

@radians @ergo @matrix It's where the good Fry's used to be.

@p @matrix @ergo Its a funny township, it basically exists as a container for the union pacific alhambra subdivision railyard.

@radians @p @matrix they need to hire some creatives for the names, like a Tolkien type guy

@ergo @radians @matrix No, these names appeal to autism people.

@ergo @p @matrix well, most cities on the grid layout were well after the mass adoption of cars here. You can see it plainly in East coast cities vs West coast...even the suburban areas after the car become more grid like in the older cities. New cities like Phoenix, or Las Vegas are perfect examples of this, as is Spokane Washington