@nik @tuxcrafting TERF instance, Extremist Feminists (the kind people love to make fun of), but as a bonus they also hate trans people

@Meeper @nik @tuxcrafting

- Out of 8,000+ users I've witnessed about 2 who genuinely hate trans people. There are a number of trans users on the site (transsexuals, mostly) who want more freedom to have the full conversation about gender.

- The discussion happening on Spinster right now is about porn being linked to sex trafficking, which is a horrible reason to hate it.

@alex @Meeper @nik >only 2
mate basically every user there that i had an interaction with hates trans people

@tuxcrafting @alex @Meeper @nik Yeah that’s not my experience with it. So many posts I saw were talking about “men invading womens spaces”. Nah, its a pretty terrible place.

However, I’m pleased that Alex runs the site (because its funny that a man runs the feminist site) and also that it contains them in a nice little box.

@shebang @Meeper @alex @nik it's like FSE, keeps crazies in a nice little blockable place so they don't metastase everywhere

@tuxcrafting @shebang @Meeper @alex @nik

> I've witnessed about 2 who genuinely hate trans people.

Never been a huge fan of as a whole but I've found some nice users from there more recently. A big problem I'd run into would be the user I try to engage with is sexist and hates men; as soon as I replied to their messages, they'd accuse me of "mansplaining" and block me lol...far more people on that instance hate men than hate trans people

But again, that's not everyone, just my initial experience. My experience with the users is a bit better now.

Trans women ARE men. But nobody hates trans people as much as their supporters tell them they do 🤷🏼‍♀️

Wanting protection for women’s rights isn’t hating trans identified people 🙄

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang
>nobody hates trans people as much as their supporters tell them they do

lol go tell that to my parents who held me down, emptied my pockets, then threw me onto the ground and told me to fuck off from their house for being trans
@Ladyfat @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang i was thrown out by my parents at 18, the same month i graduated high school
@Ladyfat @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang they took my wallet, phone, cash, all possessions that were on me, destroyed my hrt, and told me to fuck off

they made me homeless for something out of my control, took my access to my own money from my job away from me.

It’s a shame they couldn’t have arranged mental health help before that stage. But you were an adult.

@nik @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang

No but we have no other context. At the end of the day you can’t force people to affirm the feelings of others. Nobody has to lie for anyone else, that includes parents.

@realcaseyrollins @nik @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @shebang

@Ladyfat @realcaseyrollins @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @shebang i didnt ask them to do anything, i didnt try to force any views on them, i didnt tell them to do anything, i merely came out to them and told them i was dysphoric and was taking hrt to ease that pain

If that person is asking you to call them a woman when they are a man you have absolutely the right to say “not in my house!”

@realcaseyrollins @nik @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @shebang

@realcaseyrollins @Ladyfat @nik @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @shebang

Also the fact that they destroyed/took her own possession suddenly(thus giving no time to cope) thus economically fucked up her situation. I mean even if you say not in my home at least have the decency to have the recipient cope especially your own child to whom you should have a responsiblilty towards

Only abusers feel you should support them in everything without questioning.

He was 18 , so an adult. An adult choosing to take drugs not really intended for his sex class.

Parents/house owners have every right to decide who lives in their property.

@realcaseyrollins @nik @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @shebang

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat

> Parents/house owners have every right to decide who lives in their property.

I agree on them having this right, even if I disagree with the parents' decision. But there is a HUGE difference between decided to kick their kid out, and destroying the property of the kid--who is an adult btw--and ASSAULTING him or her to boot! I don't see how that's justified, I'm sorry.

@realcaseyrollins @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat they have the right, that doesn't mean that it's moral. they have the legal right but that's it.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat Yes but not to assault to destroy the property of another adult, esp. assuming that at 18 you're no longer in your parents' custody

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat Guess I don't really have a point, necessarily.

But I kinda feel like criminal charges could potentially be in order here

Your adult son being gay doesn’t impact on your life. Unless he is asking to have an active sex life on your kitchen table ... Your adult son claiming you be woman asks you to suspend your grasp on reality for their ego.

Two VERY different requests.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang all it asks is that you change what pronouns you use in reference to them. how is that difficult?

@mewmew @Meeper @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat you don't understand, if you use she to refer to someone AMAB you're LITERALLY killing women

It’s asking someone to deny reality for ‘feelings’. It’s pathetic and incredibly narcissistic.

Why should any woman have to lie for a man’s ego?

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang what reality?

if they dress up and act female then it seems more realistic to treat them as such than to pretend they are male.

How does someone “act female”?

What sort of misogynistic shit are you really selling ?

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

What’s that? Mucking our horses in overalls? Giving birth in stilettos? Putting on make up in trousers? What?? @realcaseyrollins @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang IDK you'd know it if you've interacted with guy people

Maybe watch some Jeffree Starr or something IDK

How the fuck you going to be treated as female? Take a third of your pay and stop listening to your good ideas?

@tuxcrafting @mewmew @Meeper @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang ah, I see what your problem is here.

your argument seems to be "there are no characteristics determining gender other than body parts. therefore asking someone to use pronouns without matching body parts is denying reality".

this is actually in denial of reality though. I assume people's genders by the way they look, and how they act, not what body parts they have. I don't ask "do you have a vagina" whenever I introduce myself to someone. that's insane. no one does that.

Nah my “problem” is that men will never BE women and no woman should have to lie that they can be.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang but what does it even mean to be a woman to you? have a vagina? we're well on our way to that level of body modification, and even if we're not, that's not what most people think of as a woman.

@realcaseyrollins @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @Ladyfat I checked out. I said what I wanted too.

If someone wants to hate me because I’m a transwoman, fuck ‘em. I did what I had to to survive, if someone wants to judge me for that it reflects only upon their character, not mine.

You know what a woman is. An adult human female.

A person that under healthy clinical conditions has the potential to produce large gametes.

A man can never be a woman.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang
> A person that under healthy clinical conditions has the potential to produce large gametes.

so, someone who has gone through menopause is no longer a woman?

someone who gets a hysterectomy loses their womanhood?

defining people by their ability to reproduce in this context doesn't really make sense. you know this which is why you add the "healthy clinical conditions", but some women are born sterile. so that's a "what-if", not really a sound definition.

You don’t actually understand “under healthy clinical conditions has the potential to produce” do you?

Come on try harder.

A menopausal woman HAS had the potential to create large gametes. An infertile woman is infertile due to her inability to produce large gametes. Hence “under healthy clinical confitions” she is infertile BECAUSE she cannot *at that time* produce large gametes. A man is infertile because of his inability to produce SMALL gametes.

Sex has meaning. Don’t be deliberately obtuse.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang "under healthy clinical conditions", again, is a useless what-if in many cases.

No, words have meanings. Humans are not a homogeneous mess and it’s really fucking insulting that men think that we are.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang If I thought we were all a "homogeneous mess", then gender wouldn't exist.

Look, if you wanna feel superior because you can pump out babies, do that I guess. But pushing that worldview on others is pretty stupid and sexist.
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@mewmew @Ladyfat @Meeper @alex @nik @realcaseyrollins @shebang @tuxcrafting I do wonder how she would refer to someone with De La Chapelle Syndrome or an XY person with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome

Do you think nobody socialised outside of the fediverse? You’re deeply fucking insulting to those born with DSDs. @StarKitsune @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

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@mewmew @Ladyfat @Meeper @alex @nik @realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting I’m still checked out of this.. mostly. This is just an example of the endless hoops they’ll go through to avoid settling on the one scientifically supported, well researched and always consistent answer: The brain determines whether you are a man or a woman.

Every other answer has exceptions and inconsistencies.

@mewmew @Ladyfat @Meeper @alex @nik @realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting Ah, social constructionists. Its natural for them to reject anything brain related — they simply have no context.

We know they're not women because men aren't lining up to tell them to sit down, shut up, suck their dicks and make them a sammich. Usually in that order. @shebang @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @Ladyfat

@Fullycaffeinated @shebang @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @Ladyfat I can start, if they would appreciate it :blobcat3c:

idk, I would think defining yourself based on the attention you get from men is pretty anti-feminist.

You're right. Let me rephrase that. We know that even men don't think they are women because.... @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat

@Fullycaffeinated @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat I tend to treat trans and cis women about the same. In many cases, I can't even tell the difference so I couldn't treat them differently if I wanted to.
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@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat

A woman is someone born into the female sex class who survives to adulthood. Born in the female sex class means she has a female reproductive system. Part or parts of it may not function or cease to function. It may not be intact. But a female reproductive system does not include a cock and scrotum. Cock and scrotum are part of your male reproductive system.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat

It's useful to women because it's not useful to sperminators who want penis to penetrate EVERYWHERE. It's not our aim to be useful to you.

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