@nik @tuxcrafting TERF instance, Extremist Feminists (the kind people love to make fun of), but as a bonus they also hate trans people

@Meeper @nik @tuxcrafting

- Out of 8,000+ users I've witnessed about 2 who genuinely hate trans people. There are a number of trans users on the site (transsexuals, mostly) who want more freedom to have the full conversation about gender.

- The discussion happening on Spinster right now is about porn being linked to sex trafficking, which is a horrible reason to hate it.

@alex @Meeper @nik >only 2
mate basically every user there that i had an interaction with hates trans people

@tuxcrafting @alex @Meeper @nik Yeah that’s not my experience with it. So many posts I saw were talking about “men invading womens spaces”. Nah, its a pretty terrible place.

However, I’m pleased that Alex runs the site (because its funny that a man runs the feminist site) and also that it contains them in a nice little box.

@shebang @Meeper @alex @nik it's like FSE, keeps crazies in a nice little blockable place so they don't metastase everywhere

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> I've witnessed about 2 who genuinely hate trans people.

Never been a huge fan of as a whole but I've found some nice users from there more recently. A big problem I'd run into would be the user I try to engage with is sexist and hates men; as soon as I replied to their messages, they'd accuse me of "mansplaining" and block me lol...far more people on that instance hate men than hate trans people

But again, that's not everyone, just my initial experience. My experience with the users is a bit better now.

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@realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting @Meeper @alex @nik That kind of misandry irritates me too. Bitch, listen, I lived in the mens world most of my life, its not the silver platter you think it is.

@mewmew @realcaseyrollins @Meeper @alex @nik @tuxcrafting Well thats exactly it. They ignore the neurological evidence on the subject.

@shebang @Meeper @alex @nik @realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting I think the man-hatred is worse than being a TERF. Because if you just convince them not to hate trans women, they'll still hate men. Whereas if you convince them not to hate men, they won't hate trans women regardless of if they accept their identity or not.

@mewmew @Meeper @alex @nik @realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting Reasonable, yeah.

Also man-hating is hating 49% of Earths population, and trans-hating is hating 0.05% of the population.

@shebang @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @nik It's weird cuz there's a difference between hating trans people (which I don't) and accepting biology and science (which I do), but IDK is everyone in that camp a TERF? Or just the hateful ones? Cuz I ain't hateful.

@realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting @shebang @Meeper @mewmew @alex @nik scientists hate trans people it's just a fact. terfs get the wall am I right fellow trans unicorns. we are all clownfish on this blessed day

Most who get labeled "TERF" do not hate trans people at all. We know there are people who have dysphoria and that transition seems to be the thing that helps them get on with life. We get called TERF because we understand that you can't literally change your sex (trans women/men get called truscum for the same reasons). We get called TERF because we do not want children to be pushed towards transition. We get called TERF because we know there are creepy men LARPing as women. We get called TERF because we fight for single sex spaces where we think they are necessary, such as prisons, changing rooms, rape crisis shelters, etc. Weirdest of all, we get called TERF for wanting to have a voice in the debate over laws that will affect all of us.

@realcaseyrollins @shebang @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @nik

@MandyJane @realcaseyrollins @shebang @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex you get called terf because on of your spinster compatriots in this thread just told me i deserved to be thrown out by my parents 2 weeks after graduating high school for telling them i was dysphoric

Well, I'm sorry that happened to you. Must have been heartbreaking. I hope you're okay now.

@nik @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang

@shebang @mewmew @Meeper @nik @realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting The man hating is real, and it's a response to woman hating. I don't agree with it (and I don't hate myself) but I understand why it happens.

Trans women ARE men. But nobody hates trans people as much as their supporters tell them they do 🤷🏼‍♀️

Wanting protection for women’s rights isn’t hating trans identified people 🙄

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat

> nobody hates trans people as much as their supporters tell them they do

I'm sure some do, but it's greatly exaggerated as far as its prevalence.

Nah their supporters literally say “everyone wants you dead” the whole movement relies on hyperbole and over exaggerating death rates. It’s that low.

@realcaseyrollins @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang I don't care what some random people on Twitter think, I care about your toxic ideology. Other people's responses to it aren't relevant here. If your only defense is "look at how crazy some people who disagree with me are", you're not making a good argument.

Sweetie I’m not on twitter .

Why would “women are adult human females” be ‘toxic ideology’ to anybody other than science deniers? @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang

@Ladyfat @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang i like how you're arguing in the part of this thread where nothing productive is going on but ignored my personal experience exactly counter to your initially stated view
@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang no, because it's not accurate to how many people actually live.

it seems like the only reason to define it your way is because doing otherwise would hurt your feelings.

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat Sorry facts hurt your feelings, bro.

Science doesn't care about how people live, it's just science. People try and ignore it if they want, but that doesn't change science.

@realcaseyrollins @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat it's not about science or facts hurting my feelings. "science doesn't care about how people live" is just flat-out untrue. how people live is something that can be studied and understood. is depression unscientific? or anxiety? just because it's "about how people live"?

@mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat

> how people live is something that can be studied and understood.

Yes but it doesn't change the definitions of male and female based solely on subjective feelings tho

@realcaseyrollins @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat so? if you wanna define female or woman as "people born with a vagina" you can do that if you want, but that's not actually considering scientific evidence which shows otherwise. just unnecessarily pedantic.
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@realcaseyrollins @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @Ladyfat They are real, but their function isn't as understood as laypersons think. The main function is testicles. Breasts, genitals, bones (in early development, not after they solidify obviously), body shape, fat distribution, behaviour etc are all hormone controlled.
@realcaseyrollins @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @alex @nik @shebang @Ladyfat

y'all are just jealous that you don't body mod. i'm state of the fucking art medical technology. this TERF bullshit is retarded, everyone has the right to modify their body to suit them. your boomer-ass labels are irrelevant. the future is gay and weird and you can't stop it.

its super fucked how people are so dismissive trans people sometimes. using FACTS and LOGIC as a rhetorical tool instead of understanding anything. I think we have enough of a hold on the real politick in our strongholds though, so TERFs just need the containment instance until the memeplex brainwashes them with the rest. some fuckers are really resistive though.

at least they aren't transhumanists tho, those other fuckers are so close to seeing their potential. its sad when they get stuck thinking that gender mod is too weird. magnet fingers will not bring us closer to a synthetic ascension. immanentize the eschaton fam.
@xj9 @realcaseyrollins @Ladyfat @Meeper @alex @mewmew @nik @shebang @tuxcrafting

It's fine for you to think you are whatever you think you are. It's also ok for people to disagree, and even disrespect, your self-assessment. Just like you're free to disrespect them back. It's all good. Just let's not start hitting each other IRL and other such retarded shit.
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@mewmew @realcaseyrollins @Ladyfat @Meeper @alex @nik @shebang @tuxcrafting

"science doesn't care about how people live" This is false if "care" isn't used in the "wanting to study" sense.
@Ladyfat @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @nik @shebang > But nobody hates trans people as much as their supporters tell them they do

...what?
@Ladyfat @mewmew @Meeper @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang
>nobody hates trans people as much as their supporters tell them they do

lol go tell that to my parents who held me down, emptied my pockets, then threw me onto the ground and told me to fuck off from their house for being trans
@Ladyfat @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins @alex @shebang i was thrown out by my parents at 18, the same month i graduated high school

Because being thrown out as an adult with a fetish is a hell of a lot different to being thrown out as a confused child. @realcaseyrollins @nik @Meeper @mewmew @tuxcrafting @alex @shebang

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