do vegans decline invitations to dinners? Like, my pakistani neighbor always cooks with lots of meat. Id never be able to decline out of sheer respect for his craft

@igel The strong-hearted decline to sit at a table of violence against animals

@alex @igel

Think of it as a religion. Would muslims decline an invitation to eat pork?

@issdeinschnitzel @igel To me it's political, not religious. Animals are unique individuals with thoughts and feelings. It's an injustice to kill them when they've done nothing wrong.

@alex @igel Politics do flow out of religion tho

I mean I don't think veganism is a religion necessarily (unless there's a lot of dogma I'm not aware of), but @issdeinschnitzel has a point here

@realcaseyrollins @igel @issdeinschnitzel The only way it's related to religion is that both involve morality. But I don't think veganism asks people to believe anything they don't already believe, it just asks them to apply their own sense of ethics consistently.

@alex @issdeinschnitzel @igel

> it just asks them to apply their own sense of ethics consistently.

Not necessarily. Many who eat meat (in fact, I would argue to say "most") believe that human life is worth more than that of animals.

@realcaseyrollins @issdeinschnitzel @igel Well that's just provably false, in multiple ways. In fact it's a form of discrimination like an extreme form of racism.

@alex @issdeinschnitzel @igel

> that's just provably false, in multiple ways

How so?

@realcaseyrollins @issdeinschnitzel @igel

#NameTheTrait

https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait

Logic doesn't often win debates, though.

@alex @realcaseyrollins @issdeinschnitzel we're talking about a world thatjustifies the killing of other humans. Chicken are jsut not a high priority I guess

@igel @issdeinschnitzel @realcaseyrollins Yeah but anyone who thinks killing other humans is wrong (ie the vast majority of people) should have to consider nonhumans to have equal moral value or else contradict themselves.

@alex @issdeinschnitzel @igel

So, is bestiality okay? If humans are just any other animal. Like nobody stopped a donkey and a zebra from mating, in fact we all watched to see what would happen.

Spoiler alert: Zonkeys, zonkeys happened.

@realcaseyrollins @issdeinschnitzel @igel Nope because animals lack the vernacular to consent. I think we ought to treat them like we do children in society.