The polls are over! The results are quite interesting!

People generally answered the last two polls correctly: yes, I am , and no, I don't hate trans people.

What I did find interesting was the vast discrepancy, while the public generally said that I'm , nobody called me a . 🤔

I wonder why that is? What makes one a then, if not being ?

@realcaseyrollins I don't really know your opinions on these subjects but I don't recall ever having a negative interaction with you so... I assume no to these.
@realcaseyrollins these sound like questions you should answer for yourself

@Locksmith I know the answers to the last two.

I'll provide them once the poll ends, I want to see what people think and I don't want to influence the poll

@realcaseyrollins TERFS by definition hate trans people. Gendercritical is more of a loose term that can covered a wide range of opinions from basically TERFS to merely “there are 2 genders”.

@tuxcrafting @shebang@pleroma.freespeech.hoso am I transphobic? I thought that was a term supposed to be reserved for people who hate or fear trans people, specifically.

@realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting Well. I donno where other people lay, but I only acknowledge 2 genders, and I think that trans people are only trans if they have gender dysphoria and specifically the brain condition that causes G/D. Being trans is a medical condition, its detectable with brain scans these days even. There is more evidence that people don’t choose to be trans than there is that people don’t choose to be gay at this point.

I’m pretty firm on this, if you don’t have G/D then you aren’t trans, you are probably Gender non-conforming, or maybe just a gender cosplayer having a fun time appropriating a pretty serious and unpleasant medical condition.

But nowhere in the studies have there been examples of 72 genders or really anything outside of that. That said, AFAIK that hasn’t been much in the way of studies about the brains of Non-binaries — so there is no real evidence there, but there is no real research there. I guess it seems plausible that if problems during development people can end up with the brain being gendered incorrectly, that some people might end up “in the middle” somewhere though.

At least some of that would fall under gender critical from what I understand of it.

@shebang @realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting "non-binaries" were classically just called "androgynous" and they were just considered weird but I don't think anyone particularly cared too much.

@icedquinn @tuxcrafting @shebang IDK my mom does lol

But then, she's...my mom...😜

I mean the character Lyndon is played by a girl and it didn't bother me too much (although I was pretty surprised when I found that out when watching the next to last episode lol).

@realcaseyrollins @tuxcrafting @shebang

At face value, they definitely are. I play a male on the show, who’s a tech genius, so that’s very different from who I am. But there are a lot of parallels that I found, during the filming process, of just a young person who has put everything into career.

well that explains that. production has an established history of using women to play boys. it’s the only way they can get the neoteny without actually using young boys.

@realcaseyrollins @shebang @tuxcrafting going back and reading what the rest of the thread was about (:blobcatderpy:) i pretty much agree with all of you. i tend to see it as there are two genders but there's a hormonal gradient between the two. which is not the same thing as 40 genders. and it's not the "2 genders = anti-trans" dog whistle.

TERFs are jerks although i kind of get part of the message now that we're seeing more men going on HRT just to cheat at sports and get easier wins.

@icedquinn @tuxcrafting @shebang I feel like this makes more sense in the cartoon space, where young boy characters are either voiced by boys and changed every couple of years (because puberty) or they're voiced by women.

@shebang @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins I really do think that we need to do research on those who identify as "non-binary", even if most of them are looking for attention because non-binary gender does not make any evolutionary sense.

Intersex is usually pointed out as "evidence" that non-binary genders exists, but being intersex is nothing more than a birth defect like being born with extra fingers. Most of the time the genitalia that makes someone intersex is non-functional due to the lack of other parts to make it functional.

There have been studies linking gender dysphoria to autism. I guess there is a similar connection to those who identify as non-binary. Autistic people have a hard time learning social norms including those that involve gender. Maybe they feel like they don't fall under either gender due to failing to recognize gender roles and social norms, so they think that they are neither male or female.

@xianc78 @tuxcrafting @realcaseyrollins Well, things like homosexuality, intersex or trans (which are really just people with an intersex brain) — none of them make evolutionary sense, they are all errors in the replication process.

The links regarding G/D to autism I’m less clear on, but it usually seem to be go more FtM rather than MtF in that way. I’m not sure about it, I’ve not really looked too closely at those studies because I don’t think I’m autistic, at least not to a significant degree. (Mind you, how would I know?)

But I think what we’re really seeing here is not a genuine link between autism and g/d because I don’t think many of them actually have g/d. You can start to see this in detrans rates. There is a “type” who generally detrans, 1) Autistic, 2) Female, 3) Lesbian. That’s like 80% of the cases there. The remaining 20% would be misdiagnosed cases and in all cases whether they fit the type or not, almost always you’ll find they lived in a groupthink type of social pressure situation. Almost every person who has a detrans story admits that they never really got a real diagnosis — because outside of social pressure on patients and doctors — the tests for G/D are extremely accurate. But you get into that woke culture and things get fucked up real quick. Anyone with a mental problem like autism is always going to be really susceptible to social pressure and being taken advantage of, and I think that’s where a lot of problems come in.

@tuxcrafting @shebang @realcaseyrollins if wanting to abolish gender roles and stereotypes makes me a transphobe then so be it . *flies flag*

@shebang @realcaseyrollins even goes beyond feminism. For example, there is a growing minority of lesbians, gays, and bisexuals who want to distance themselves from the transgender, intersex, and non-binary communities and go back to just being LGB. I don't know if there is a name for them, but I guess you can call them Gender Critical Queers or something like that.

@xianc78 @shebang @realcaseyrollins we don't want to be called queer. but yes. various movements. lgballiance, droptheT, etc. it doesn't make sense for T to be with LGB. different goals entirely. lgb are sexualities. t is a whole range from old school transsexuals to men can be pregnant and let's call women menstruators. not sexuality related at all. way back , they were conflated because almost all transsexuals were gay men. this is not the case any more. we should be separate.
@realcaseyrollins no one who considers you a terf follows you you silly boy

how did I even get here

Whatever, "gender critical" just means terf

@penny

> no one who considers you a terf follows you you silly boy

That's actually a really good point tbh

@realcaseyrollins

Well the RF part of TERF stands for "radical feminist" and I'd be mildly surprised if anyone identified you as such. Not all transkeptics are TERFS.

@khird @realcaseyrollins although terf is just thrown at any woman who dissents from trans activism, they don't even have to be a radfem
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