defunding police doesn't sound so bad anymore.

in fact, defund the whole government

we'll use the money to hire mercs who actually enforce order and peace.

@icedquinn I’ve been saying this for ages now. Privatized police are the only way that police are going to have any reason to do a good job protecting people or property.

Government police only serve the interest of the government. Private police serve the interest of whoever is paying for them. If your community is paying for then, then they serve that community.

@shebang @icedquinn It's not really practical. Peasants independently can't buy police. You'd get to the situation where you'd have people pooling together to buy police, just like health care, or it would be employer supported. But for a State to actually be stable, it does need to have a relative monopoly on violence. I'm not anti-state because even a corrupt state provides stability. You remove the state and thousands will be killed (see Afghanistan)

I don't have issue with police at all honestly. Some are corrupt, but even then you can avoid the worst of it if you're just not an asshole and don't commit crimes.

The major corruption occurs with prosecutors. They are the real problem. They lie and cheat all day; put innocent people in jail to meet quotas (see the documentaries: Outcry, The Trayvon Hoax, Trial by Media).

Police are just drones for the most part. The majority are good, some are bad, and defunding efforts will keep the more corrupt ones and force the non-corrupt ones out.

Defund the prosecutors, or at least hold them fucking accountable. Prosecutors are rarely ever disbarred or face consequences for misconduct.

@djsumdog @shebang yes the corrupt state is providing lots of protection from antifa by literally telling the public it plans to do nothing other than protect antifa right now.

@djsumdog @shebang
> chief: oh hah i'm gonna obey this stand down order
> everyone else: oh you know, just following orders

remember that time we said following orders wasn't good enough

@djsumdog @shebang the stability of a corrupt state is mostly because total instability is bad for profits. in a self-sustaining cycle they need to keep crime down low enough that they don't get knifed by the peasants. it's a predatory cycle that if its smart is mindful of overharvesting.

this does not work well when it becomes an open system (ex. some hungarian piece of shit is funneling billions in.)

@djsumdog @shebang the moral imperative of the police is to keep the peace. the hobbsian bargain is that the state has a monopoly (and thus suppresses civilian violence) so it can enforce the process of statecraft on itself.

to say stupid shit (as courts have) that the state doesn’t have the obligation to suppress violence is to declare the state is invalid (under hobbs.)

@icedquinn @shebang True. The courts in the US have said there is no duty to protect. They city is not responsible if you call the cops and they don’t show.

That’s one reason the CHAZ lawsuit is so interesting, because they go after the state on things like “unlawful gift” and perpetuating the nuance.

@djsumdog @shebang allowing CHAZ was treason.

@icedquinn @shebang @djsumdog CHAZ was the best way to make an argument against anarchy. We should be doing more of it, in fact, designate lawless zones so those people who desire them can have them. And when it all falls apart we won't need to explain to them why it's bad; we just leave it with "I told you so", and that's that. They'll never ask for it again.

@Zerglingman @icedquinn @djsumdog @shebang CHAZ failed because ancoms are not real anarchists. Have some ancap zones and watch them be preferable to the statist hell hole we have now.

@xianc78 @Zerglingman @djsumdog @shebang ancaps are just burned out libertarians

@icedquinn @xianc78 @Zerglingman @shebang or libertarians who can't keep skilled jobs and just bitch and cry about it

@djsumdog @icedquinn @Zerglingman @shebang I can't keep a skilled job because I'm still in college.

@xianc78 @djsumdog @Zerglingman @shebang i used to get some contract jobs but the sites for those are more hostile than they've ever been. the last time i bothered with the skilled job market i couldn't get contacts to do anything and the websites AI filter you out now.

although i resigned my libertarian hat for unrelated reasons.

@icedquinn @djsumdog @Zerglingman @shebang I could probably get a job at my brother's place but from what I heard the whole vaccine controversy is so bad that some won't go back to work unless everyone is vaccinated while others refuse to get the vaccine, so they have to do everything remote and they can't take any jobs right now.

I'm still an ancap but I don't expect it to happen anytime soon. I expect it to happen on some new frontier like a space colony or seastead which is why I'm a frequent donor of the Seasteading Institute.

@xianc78 @djsumdog @Zerglingman @shebang i don't expect anarchism to ever 'work', but its a useful symbol of rejecting people being in control of yourself.