@beardalaxy I'm not doing it anytime soon. I got too much going on. I agree we should be focusing on games more than anything else. I feel like the "anti-sjw" gamedev community focuses more time on obsessing over how SJWs ruin everything than actually making good games. I'm kind of guilty of that as well.

@xianc78 yeah it gets combative and extreme, which makes the other side more combative and extreme. Nobody wants to play a game that exists solely to shit on people and that's something I think the right tends to fuck up on. The politically correct still make amazing games, they just have weird trans propaganda in them and shit like a character being non-binary being listed in their bio and they just exist to be a token of inclusivity or something.

Games made by explicitly right wing people just tend to be way too overbearing and they feel like ass to actually play. It ends up just being kind of tacky.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 I want a game with a trans nazi that commits war crimes and has a lesbian love interest.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 I think a lot of far left devs are guilty of this too like when they make trans walking sim 420.

Just join outpoast and gamedev it up in there.

@heyarnold @xianc78 we're already on an instance with "game" in the title lol ;)

You are a wild game instance. Used for discussions on deer hunting

@beardalaxy I was actually talking about people obsessing over current events instead of making their game. I probably could've gotten a lot more done I wasn't obsessing over it non-stop back in 2016-2019. I feel like it's the same way with other developers.

But yeah. Shock value games are only fun for like 10 minutes.

@xianc78 @beardalaxy it's happened to internet artists too, that's why output for many slowed.

Or they got hooked on vrc like crack.

@xianc78 oh yeah that's a definite.

I don't speak for everyone, but I think the majority of people complaining about woke shit in games don't really want games that combat the woke shit, they want games that just don't have the woke shit in it.

Based devs helps too, though, when stacked on a game that's just a game. Take the recent interview with FFXVI's director or whatever, talking about how the are pretty much going to only be white people in the game because it is representative of the region the game takes place in. That's an answer that infuriates the people who would be asking that question, but we like to hear that because it means the focus isn't on pandering, it's about the actual game.

Maybe that's a bad example because the current state of Square Enix dictates there will probably be something woke in the game anyway, but you get what I'm going for I'm sure.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 simply being true to reality -- not the perverted, artificial world we live in now, but how things were throughout most of the history of humanity -- combats woke shit all on its own

@beardalaxy I'm more surprise that there is even a FFXVI in the works. I thought FFXV flopped so hard that it killed the franchise. I never got into the Final Fantasy series or anything related to Square Enix, so I'm mostly out of the loop on that one. I really do hate that even the Japanese game studios are becoming woke now.

The all white cast reminds me of this Fallout 4 mod that I've heard about which replaces all the non-white characters with white ones. The creator's justification was that there probably wouldn't have been a civil rights movement in the Fallout timeline, so Boston would probably be majority white, even more so after the nuclear war. Though to me, there is nothing that says that there wouldn't have been a civil rights movement in the Fallout timeline, but whatever.

However, that's another problem I have which is that people are combating wokeness with mods which I feel is a band-aid solution. Unless you pirate the game, you are still giving money to the game's creators and a mod just changes the experience to those who have that mod installed.

But what I was talking about earlier about focusing on getting stuff done as opposed to obsessing over current events, I think it's part of the issue with YandereDev. I don't know the full story. I watched some documentary about him a while back and forgot a lot of it. He probably spent more time obsessing over the drama regarding his game compared to actually working on it. I don't know how much was related to identity politics but he always asserted his promise of being an "anti-sjw gamedev" while not getting the game done.

@xianc78 @beardalaxy Honestly it was leading up to that with YanDev, before it was about the drama about his game he had a thing for feature creep and adding in the latest memes/references to his game.

@xianc78 I actually feel kind of bad for yanderedev lol, it's a lesson in not promising things you can't follow through on that most of us learn at some point, it's just unfortunate that his point had to be one of the biggest video game blunders of the modern era.

@xianc78 ffxv did pretty well, I thought. It kept getting updates for a while and they had a lot of cross promotion. If I remember right, there was something about the pre-orders not being very good. I'm interested in 16 but I'll have to wait for it to come out and see what others think.

@xianc78 @beardalaxy once you find like-minded people it'd be good to have a "no politics here" rule just to avoid retarded distractions

@deprecated_ii @beardalaxy @xianc78 This, so much this.

@PhenomX6 @xianc78 @deprecated_ii I think that's not exactly the best idea, because you can still have political themes, even modern ones, in a video game. Personally, I just wouldn't want people discussing politics outside of a game's thread and if it turns into flaming that's where it stops.

@PhenomX6 @xianc78 @deprecated_ii and by "game's thread" I mean a game from one of the users, not people talking about random AAA games not made by users on the site.

@PhenomX6 @xianc78 @deprecated_ii it's important to keep it refined, but if someone wanted to include something political in their game, I wouldn't want to stifle that specific discussion per se. It's the random bullshit political threads that are gay.

@xianc78 @beardalaxy That, and being bad at promoting their own side. Just look at how mainstream right publications refuse to give airtime to independent creators unless you hand them cash or end up already successful.

At least in literature, there's no shortage of good "non-woke" authors- they're just hamstrung by having to rely on eceleb cred or word of mouth,

@GD5426 @beardalaxy @xianc78 Someone I know said the reason he wouldn't be with that side was they do a bad job at it, that and he wanted to get starfucked but never got starfucked like his peers who said the right things did.

@PhenomX6 @beardalaxy @xianc78 Yep, you pretty much don't have a chance unless you're someone with an already established following like Razorfist or whoever's the center of this week's comicsgate slapfight. (the pulp revival guys too, but they seem to be small fry in comparison) Though, I will say- they are at least better at promoting small creators than the fox news boomers and the like.

@GD5426 @beardalaxy @xianc78 That seems to be something inherit to their philosophy. A group which places less value on promoting itself won't have the same reach as one that has a stronger in-group preference. Popularity growth is sigmoidal, so having a guaranteed large base level network gives one a big advantage.