This is some funny shit

Yea, but are managers and directors going to get a pay cut? of course not. They might lay some of them off, but more likely, they'll just raise all the costs and drop the co-pay.

Violence works immediately sometimes. Earth Liberation Front did shut down some operations. But they started back up again a few months or a year later. Meanwhile, America got sick of their violence and destruction. Their message was lost.

I worked in health insurance. It is 100% scum. On the other side is Canada, where government death panels push doctors to push MAID/suicide. Also 100% scum.

I don't know who this CEO was. Maybe he was a bastard shithead who beat his kids. Maybe he was a nice person who donated to every charity he could and tried to teach his kids right. But he had kids and now they don't have a father.

I don't like living in a world where people think that's okay.

@djsumdog @cjd >I don't know who this CEO was. Maybe he was a bastard shithead who beat his kids. Maybe he was a nice person who donated to every charity he could and tried to teach his kids right. But he had kids and now they don't have a father.
Now do the kids whose father comes down with a tragic illness and insurance drops their coverage

Yea see ... I don't know what that has to do with fucking anything. Why should that relate to the murder at all?

I worked at a BlueCross BlueShield for 2+ years. We had two bomb threats when I was there. Now if one of those bombs was real; say it took out eBusiness and me and all my co-workers were dead. Did we deserve it? Because we supported an evil company?

Oh but this guy was a big director level position and raked in millions in personal income. Okay, what if it was a manager who made $250k? Yep he should die, totally guilty, But what if it was a lowly software dev that made $65k? oh that's tragic. He's just a grunt in the machine. But what if it was a high end senior dev that made $165k. Well he should have known better and used his skills to get a better job. Okay, what if it was $165k .. in New York City. That's like $100k anywhere outside the cities adjusted for cost of living..

Where is the line? How much do you have to make or what level do you have to be at where vigilante justice and murder is justified.

You know who celebrates the death of made up enemies they don't even fucking know? Deranged Lefties:

https://battlepenguin.com/politics/how-the-left-celebrate-death/

Don't. Be. Like. Them.

@djsumdog @cjd @mrsaturday The CEO is literally the guy that guides the entire business. Honestly you don't need to draw the line very far. C-Suite is fair game, below isn't.

So murder and assassination without any due process or trial is fine if the majority of people declare the guy is evil without any direct evidence.

So lynching is fine?

Or is it only fine when it's Leo Frank because he raped and murdered a girl in a pencil factory? Or is it only fine when it's the English or the French with a mad king?

You literally know about as much as I do about THIS CEO, which is NOTHING, and yet people are celebrating in his death.

If you can't see how fucked up this is, I don't know what to tell you. You're perspective is fucked.

@djsumdog @cjd @mrsaturday The CEO is head of a health insurance company famous for denying patients claims and made an AI algorithm with a 90% failure rate. This man is almost unambiguously a piece of shit.

I can understand your criticism, honestly. But this dude is literally like insurance Hitler. There's basically zero redeeming qualities.

In a company with thousands of workers, is is possible for him to literally know nothing about what's going on .. or even know and be powerless against the machine he may have built .. or be fully aware and psychotropic as fuck.

But we don't know the case here at all. I don't know if he had "zero redeeming qualities." Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. But I don't know that. You don't know that. No one has been given a list of evidence of his specific involvement and role, so the idea he's "insurance hitler" is speculation. It could be true. It could be false.

Murder is wrong. I want to live in a world where someone doesn't assassinate me because they feel my decisions at work slighted them.

Agree to disagree with you fren.

@djsumdog @cjd @mrsaturday I understand what you're saying, but on the other hand you're coming to the conclusion that if a company is big enough, then perhaps the CEO is free from all consequences.

Oh the CEO couldn't have known these bad things were happening, Oh the CEO was trying to prevent this, Oh the poor CEO can't be responsible for bad actors in the company.

Bullshit. Why is it that someone can get away with practically anything as long as there's enough abstraction, and it generates a profit?

That's not what I'm arguing at all. That's a straw man. He could have been a complete psycho and implemented programs he knew would help him buy Yachts. That's not the issue.

It would be nice if there is a way to make him pay somehow. Assassination and murder is not the way I want to see that happen. That's a crime against civilization. Why even have a fucking court system if the right answer is just to murder the person you think wronged you (or you and 20 million others).

You might say: "the system is rigged and fucked up. You can't vote your way out of it," and you would be right. I'd agree 100%.

I still don't see how murder of one individual you or one guy things wronged million does anything that fixes it. It literally does nothing except justify insane cathartic reactions that will never pacify or satisfy the collective rage of a society. They only make such things worse.

@djsumdog @cjd @mrsaturday Well I think it did do something. I think it scared the healthcare CEOs. I think that anesthesia decision was reversed because of it.

Do I have direct proof its because of his assassination? No. Do I think they're related, yeah.

I don't like violence but I do think that sometimes people need to be reminded about how fragile their positions in society are. CEOs have gotten the golden ticket a million times over the last 30 years, and a couple dying, especially ones like that guy, seem perfect to act as that reminder.

Perhaps you two can reach a compromise and agree that targeted assassination is not good, or moral or ethical, but it CAN be highly effective at getting a whole lot of powerful people to sit up, take notice, and start to give a fuck about solving a hellish problem that they have all tolerated being part of.

@cjd @djsumdog @mrsaturday I don't think that its ethical or moral. My beliefs dictate its almost certainly immoral. But yes I do think a targeted attack against a common enemy can be highly effective at creating positive change. Almost no one likes this guy, this is perhaps the most united people have been on any issue in like..... idk a decade? I think that means something.

Almost no one likes this guy

No body knows this guy. Like none of the people who hate him actually knows him. Did you sit down and have dinner with him at some point in your life?

As far as the change you mentioned earlier, do you really think anything will change? "But they're denying fewer claims," and how much do you think the manager, director and C-Suite salaries will go down? They won't. At the very most, they'll lay off 100 managers to cover the minor blip in revenue. At the very least, they'll pass on 100% of the "right now," to a $10 a month increase in your premium next year.

So no, it doesn't help. It gets people mad at the wrong thing, and a person they do not know, for crimes we do not know if he actually committed.

Honestly the more I look at this, the more I put stock into the thing @xianc78 linked about this being a psyop:

https://mileswmathis.com/brian.pdf

I don't know why I didn't consider that first. This guy (sorry he's kinda a moron) also talks about it being a psyop starting at 4:12

https://youtu.be/7eSsLgIap80

and finally, I think @amerika post about the whole thing is really pragmatic and insightful:

https://www.amerika.org/politics/shoot-all-the-healthcare-ceos/

@djsumdog @amerika @cjd @mrsaturday @luwa BTW, since you seemed to enjoy that PDF. You would probably also like to know that Steve Jobs also probably faked his death to get out of court cases and other legal trouble (just one week before his alleged death, he was physically in court in a lawsuit from Samsung). This article also delves into his fake bio and how it doesn't make any sense.

https://mileswmathis.com/jobs.pdf