Self-hosting pleroma. 

approaching almost a year of running my own instance. I will say it's way different than my first try here on Mastodon. I did get the question "Does Mastodon have Reaver Instances" answered with quickness! Hooo! But there are other instances that were blocked on the big instances because i think the humor is a little savage. Overall.. Still better then Musk. And not jumping to Bluesky despite getting invite codes every other day.

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@S-Config@core.s-config.com i rarely use bluesky even though i have it set up.

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@milo It just feels like someone generating artificial scarcity in the hopes of winning the social network crowd.

re: Self-hosting pleroma. 

@S-Config@core.s-config.com Or at the least the old twitter crowd.

@milo @S-Config the problem with bluesky is it's literally another one of those shitty alt networks from back in the day.

You have no reason to sign up for it if you're not banned from Twitter, your interactions/chance of being seen is lower, everyone I know crossposts anyway, and it lacks basic features Fedi has. It only has the userbase it does because a so called decentralized fandom and the mastosoc (NPR listening) tier libs set up shop there.
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config
>You have no reason to sign up for it if you're not banned from Twitter
false, i left twitter not due to being banned (my account became reinstated at some point) but due to the fact that musk thought X should stand for XSS. a spam DM auto-redirected me to a third-party website without my intervention so i immediately noped out of it
>lacks basic features Fedi has.
not doubting you, but which features? i mean, fedi is notorious for making its own mistakes with regard to user-facing features, not even mentioning the stability and compatibility issues from certain things over the years. some of this shit has always been confusing to new users
@wowaname @milo @S-Config This was a year ago when bsky literally didn't let you upload videos or post gifs, let alone having DMs.

It's added a bunch now, but at the time it was true.
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config i know it had/has bugs but so does fedi to this day, so that's a dirt reason to compare the two
@PurpCat @S-Config @milo see https://freesoftwareextremist.com/notice/Asy9LZ65uSsznBT10K thread i just made a bit ago: tl;dr i prefer a mature community over bickering about short-term technical issues, assuming the issues can be fixed. i've been on fedi almost a decade now and i still don't feel like i've been able to discover interesting people outside of the core circle i've always known here
@PurpCat @S-Config @milo to me fedi has never approached the old-twitter (ca. 2010) mood where it felt like people with actual interests could easily find and gravitate toward each other. best-case fedi still remains very segmented, worst-case it's completely obscured from certain audiences
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@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config I'm afraid that you can't have that kind of culture on a decentralized network in this political climate (which I don't think is going to change anytime soon). The only way you can have it is on a centralized network with moderation to keep all the political posters, blackpillers, etc out.

For example, there are a couple of imageboards and textboards out there that strive to be more comfy instead of complaining about how much they hate the world, but those admins realized that they either need to sacrifice freeze-peach and/or be relatively obscure in order to keep it that way.

The fediverse has neither of that going for it. Yes, there are more laid-back instances on here that try to replicate that pre-2014 experience, but it is inevitable that users get dogpiled by Poast and NCD users who think they own the network. You could also just have an isolated, webring-like network of whitelist instances, but that kind of defeats the purpose of decentralization in the first place. You might as well just have a Ning site.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config you mention imageboards, so i'll relate my point to that. my experience is that 4chan has just as many useless reply guys as fedi does, bumping threads for no reason, but my real issue is that the interesting content i actually want to see is more sparse on fedi, whereas on 4chan i still regularly see plenty of people mature enough to ignore all that and save the threads with useful contributions anyway. hopefully that makes more sense. it isn't so much the moderation, it's the community's temperament. fedi has always eaten one another alive; we're schismatic and that's a shame. bsky united against a common enemy (twitter post-acquisition). fedi never had such a unified incident such as that, because all we have are the people who were tired of or banned from twitter prior to that mass exodus.
@xianc78 @PurpCat @S-Config @milo basically the core of twitter/microblogging culture -- the part worth keeping -- made it more-or-less in one piece to bsky and not to here

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config I lurked on various Mastodon and GNU Social instances before the brief federation of Gab and the culture was kind of like what you described. A lot of people were just simply posting their nature walks or whatever projects they were working on. There were still a few people like that on here when I first joined, but I think Poast scared them off.

@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @xianc78 oh i forgot that was one really good reason to learn japanese. none of those people on fedi seem to be dicks
@wowaname @milo @S-Config @xianc78 It's because the Japanese side didn't have the same circumstances of either political censorship or fears of such that led people to the fedi in the usa, or aggressive shilling by such types.
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @xianc78
>aggressive shilling
better or worse than aggressive shitting, guys??

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config I'm pretty sure that some would be hostile to gaijin posters.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config how hostile compared to how we are to each other in the west though, lol

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config
>4chan i still regularly see plenty of people mature enough to ignore all that and save the threads with useful contributions anyway. hopefully that makes more sense. it isn't so much the moderation, it's the community's temperament. fedi has always eaten one another alive; we're schismatic and that's a shame

The difference here is that we have likes, reblogs, follows, blocks, etc and it's much easier to post a short meme and get a bunch of those than it is to make an effort post. On imageboards, all you have are (You)s and everyone is completely anonymous so nobody is building any positive or negative reputation (unless you make it obvious that all your posts are coming from the same person).

Microblogging is basically the polar opposite of imageboards. Everyone has accounts, followers, blocks, etc and therefore has a reputation. This enables personality cults and constantly picking sides. It also doesn't help that many people who came here after 2021 were on sites where such behavior was encouraged (like KiwiFarms). Part of the reason why I hate most Poast users is that they are the types that were spending most of their Internet time watching MisterMetokur videos back in the 2010s, so they've surrounded themselves with people who like to make lolcows out of those they disagree with or who they think are weaker than them.

@xianc78 @wowaname @milo @S-Config unfortunately, this is every social media site now. Google Docs and Reddit replaced the Farms.

You just don't see that side of the internet for the same reason you don't hear about iOS features if you have an Android phone, like "green bubbles" or live voicemail.
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @xianc78 i never expected for anyone to call google docs a social media platform

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config It's not. It's a rich-text pastebin and a replacement for wikis.

@PurpCat @Milo @S-Config @wowaname It will always anger me that the indie game scene is the epicenter of this behavior. A lot (if not most) people just want to see the imaginary worlds that they've been dreaming since childhood come to reality and probably never envisioned getting into such drama.

Though I'm not familiar with this game so I have no side to pick on this one.

@xianc78 @milo @S-Config @wowaname Rule 1 of doing anything online should also be: don't fuck your fans.

@PurpCat @Milo @S-Config @wowaname The JewWario and ProJared (even though he didn't actually fuck his fans) situations taught me that very well.

@xianc78 @milo @S-Config @wowaname the other thing about being remotely famous is that there are going to people who will want to be in your circle for the clout
@PurpCat @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 if i ever get famous i want it to be for being a misanthropic hermit who refuses to be friendly or even cordial with anyone
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 I think every website that tries to copy the twitter (and to a lesser extent, Tumblr) user experience are just doomed to be like this unfortunately, especially with a large enough user base. Bluesky essentially was like this from day one, and has not really improved since (despite numerous features being added in an attempt to curb such behavior). Turns out it's not a matter of the political leanings of the CEO or the users, but just an inherent property of how such sites inevitably turn out.
@RK7 @milo @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 classic post btw that talks about why it always ends this way in the middle of the post:
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/12/17/the-toxoplasma-of-rage/

In particular; it's because rage and drama and arguing breed interactions; especially with the right demographic for this.
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 And in particular, the character limits and every post being essentially disposable exacerbate this. There's relatively little room to fully explain ones position, and the site's design inherently puts ragebait in your face.
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 yeah unfortunately low-level emotions are easily accessible and invokable

@PurpCat @Milo @S-Config @wowaname @RK7
>In particular; it's because rage and drama and arguing breed interactions; especially with the right demographic for this.

I used to be into that stuff back in my late high school and college years, but I can barely stand to even look at that stuff anymore. I actually regret being into that stuff because I wasted a lot of time when I could've used that time to study for school or practice programming. Pretty much every celebrity who took part of any side of GamerGate or the culture war turned out to be a huge grifter and/or lolcow anyway.

@xianc78 @milo @S-Config @wowaname @RK7 Anyone who was into that years ago either grew out or fell terminally deep into that stuff (or hit the team change button while doing so).
@xianc78 @PurpCat @milo @S-Config @wowaname @RK7
>Pretty much every celebrity who took part of any side of GamerGate or the culture war turned out to be a huge grifter and/or lolcow anyway.
This was a pretty big blackpill when I saw it play out.
@Hephaestic @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 i felt like i was in the eye of the storm during the beginning of gamergay. i didn't participate in it one way or another, but everyone else around me was talking about it and/or closely involved

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic Virtually every gaming circle had at least one person talking about it. It may have caused a lot of people (not just 4chan) to leave certain communities after said communities made their official stance on the issues. It also brought attention to several alternative sites that would've never gotten popular otherwise (8chan being the most notable example). It truly did change Internet culture.

I think it was virtually impossible to ignore it as a gamer unless you're one of the few people who simply just play video games and never discuss them online or consume any gaming-relating content online.

@xianc78 @wowaname @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @Hephaestic Honestly it's interesting how it ended up being a perfect example of corporate/institutional capture. So many self-described lefties out there have retconned it as being some sort of rw conspiracy when it was really just people asking for more disclosure from game journos that they've been in the dev's pants/general discontent with modern corporate practices in games.

Ironically those types insisting gamergate and other poor responses to corporate media conglomerates are some sort of right wing thing is probably the one thing that ended up steering people away from the left. Like, if someone's going to spend a decade saying it's extremism for people to notice a conflict of interest at a gaming site, then yeah they're probably gonna pick the opposite of what that individual is selling.
@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic 8chan was way less of a meme before it blew up after what moot did to /v/. i had already known about the place

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic From what I've been told, before GamerGate it was used as a place for other altchans to create bunkers.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic i just shitposted on the irc with copypaste and some other faggots like beefeats
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 @Hephaestic hotwheels went out of his way to add better support for textboards after i created /vip/
@PurpCat @Hephaestic @RK7 @S-Config @milo @xianc78 it had a total of a dozen users ever but it was still a good memeboard

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic Fredrick was actually going to bring that site back but things happen and now the domain redirects to one of the /leftypol/ bunkers as a joke.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic i was keeping up with "progress" on irc and basically it sounded like he was giving it the soon™ treatment
@PurpCat @milo @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 @RK7
/furry/ was a strange mixture of 8chan freedom culture and modern furfag culture. It was down the street from /pol/ and /gghq/ and people would make threads about community figures being groomers, but then you'd have replies like "omg the straights are being prudish as usual."
@Hephaestic @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 similar to /mlpol/ or am i off-base? i never frequented either

@wowaname @Milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic I always felt like having an IRC, Discord, Matrix, XMPP defeated the purpose of an anonymous imageboard.

@xianc78 @milo @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic i miss overchan (nntpchan) but i still wish we could all move back to usenet instead of these jank forums and shit
@xianc78 @wowaname @PurpCat @S-Config @RK7 @Hephaestic It had a collection of other more esoteric boards that were native there, but it was really small before then. /elephants/ seems like it was a bunch of druggies and it predates Gamergate.
@mrsaturday @PurpCat @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 @Hephaestic I'm still mad at hot wheels for helping take it down ngl. The communities there never really recovered from the blow and mostly just exist on the webring and scattered discord chatrooms.
@RK7 @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @mrsaturday @Hephaestic i'm not mad at him, all the negative attention + the paedo boards made it fubar
@wowaname @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 @mrsaturday
8chan had its problems including pedos (as does any image board) but the reason why it sank was due to hotwheels handing the site over to Jim Watkins and him trying to make it into a news site for Qanon boomers.
@Hephaestic @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 @mrsaturday i will say to their credit that the kiddy boards stayed to themselves. on nntpchan we noticed that there were definitely cp boards but they (thankfully) were considerate enough to stay on one board so we could just drop all posts from that board. i think hiddenchan.i2p and overchan.fargoth were two that actually carried the cp indiscriminately, because they were more anonymous than the rest of us and/or didn't give a fuck
@wowaname @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 @mrsaturday
>i will say to their credit that the kiddy boards stayed to themselves
That may have been true to some degree in like 2014-2015, but even if they didn't post CP on other boards all the pedos on 8chan did spend a lot of time arguing that CP was free speech (the proximity of those two ideas is suspiciously common in arguments pushed by federal agents). The laissez-faire attitude of hotwheels became more jaded over time as it kept cropping up where it shouldn't have been.
@Hephaestic @PurpCat @S-Config @wowaname @xianc78 @RK7 Those were Masterchan raiders and that site went from being seized by the Dutch government to being mysteriously put back online 3 days later. Makes you think
@Hephaestic @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 @mrsaturday nonconsensual pornography is most definitely NOT free speech. it's obscene and it's evidence of a crime.
@wowaname @PurpCat @S-Config @xianc78 @RK7 @Hephaestic I was there for it, their arguments were beyond stupid.
"Here's the scene from American Beauty where the 17 year old is topless, if this is good enough for theaters then I can post 8 year olds getting raped all I want"
If pedos show up on any site they should be banned on sight, no questions asked, they're parasites and subhuman
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