I live in a country with nudist beaches, but young women and teenage girls also go topless on the normal beaches.
If, say, a boy ended up staring at a girl with her tits out, would he be the sexual assaulter (for looking), or would the girl with her tits out be the sexual assaulter (for exposure)?
This has happened every single time I've gone to the beach. In fact, when a girl took off her top nearby me and I saw and looked (momentarily) she smiled at me. She kept smiling at me whenever I walked by and I tried not to look at her massive boobanies.
Again, this was not on the designated "nudist area".
Of course, such a thing is unconscionable in most of America ("land of the free").
European "sex/morality laws" may have their own issues (largely due to them increasingly trying/being forced to imitate American standards), but they're still miles ahead of heavy-handed American puritan prudishness.
I genuinely think most Americans' heads would explode if they walked into a nightclub here and saw what goes on.
"...I have a hunch that children raised in America, where sex is “dirty,” are more likely to have problems with sex and their bodies than those in Europe. I suspect there is more violence associated with sex here than there. I have a hunch that the French, who have as many words for a kiss as Eskimos have for snow, enjoy making love more than we Americans do. I like a continent where sexual misconduct won’t doom a politician with anyone other than his family and friends, and where the human body is considered a divine work of art worth admiring openly."
https://blog.ricksteves.com/blog/european-flesh-and-the-american-prude/
@Aldo2 It's too bad they banned cp even magazines
@bulky_nerd yeah, the post was made in 2008, before the pedo-hysteria reached even higher levels of fever-pitch.
I'm not sure which country he was in, or whether he travelled around in general, but places like NL/Germany were very liberal when it came to certain magazines, until relatively recently.
There was a joke where I lived about girls in the French school being very promiscuous and losing their virginity earlier than any others.
My former friend's ex-girlfriend was one of those girls.
There were kids in one of the schools I went to who went to NL to lose their virginity using a fake ID!
There are some pretty funny comments on the article, talking about kids being naked at the beach (I can confirm this is totally normal where I live) or magazines at grandpas house's bathroom etc... etc...
Americans can't handle sex, really of any kind!
The irony!
They are (arguably) the most sexed up society, but it's all kept repressed, until it explodes like a pressure-cooker.
@Aldo2 Yeah america is becoming anti sex or has
@Aldo2 What's stuff they banned in europe that's sex related ?
@bulky_nerd Conservatards like to talk about "1984" (a book I read at least once every year), yet a key part in 1984 is the abolishing of sex for pleasure. Literally, "we shall abolish the orgasm".
I mean, I'm not going to list everything, because that'll be too exhaustive and I need to go to sleep, but in general I think like you mention there were magazines and that sort of stuff in the 80's/90's.
The Dutch were in the American crosshairs for doing that sort of stuff:
Another interesting article, although obv it's from a pro-pedo hysteria perspective and seeks to villify every single pedophile out there and exaggerate to crazy levels.
That being said, it covers some interesting aspects of European culture and history (Dutch magazines, German/Danish laws, French philosophers, PIE in Britain etc...).
OK but for real, I'm going to bed now haha
@Aldo2 Sorry about that I hope I'm not asking too much questions
@bulky_nerd nah it's cool, I like talking haha
@Aldo2 So how is it like now in the netherlands or in europe in general is there laws ?
Getting tougher and tougher.
Recently there's been a massive push to ban "virtual child pornography" which includes loli and A.I. stuff.
Some countries still allow it, but the number is shrinking, and the stipulations are becoming more stringent.
U.K. has really been hitting hard on any and all porn as well as restrictions on internet access for minors. They're probably the worst in that regard.
@Aldo2 Damm what is happening we use to be a proper country were it wasn't so taboo
Tbh, I think the dam will break soon.
People are going to realize that the whole "protecting the children" thing is a scam.
It's increasingly obvious, even to normies.
@Aldo2 Is is a scam 
@Aldo2 Well at least the aoc is lower in europe and in some other countries
@Aldo2 But I want to ask should the aoc laws be abolished or reform like lower it ?
@bulky_nerd I think the first step is an open and frank discussion about children and sexuality.
Considerations about reforming/abolishing the "AOC" would naturally follow.
Obviously everyone has a limit on when they think an individual can actually "consent" or not. Some go younger (or are "ageless"/abolitionists), some are higher.
Ideally, I'd say the benchmark would be when they reach "teen" age (i.e. 13-ish). But, as I've pointed out, there are children who pursue romance with older partners at younger ages than that.
Generally, I would argue for reform. Ideally, I'd argue that we need to have a new understanding entirely, because contemporary views of "consent" are narrow-minded (look at "statuatory rape" laws, for example).
@Aldo2 Do you agree she should be locked up for this ?
https://www.valleynewslive.com/2024/11/25/former-hudson-teacher-plea-alleged-relationship-with-5th-grader/
@bulky_nerd also, I don't know if you've noticed, but I feel like the rates of female teachers sleeping with or being in relationships with their students is increasing exponentially like every month.
In March I must have counted like at least half a dozen cases, probably more.
@Aldo2 I don't if I should call it so called but I noticed the men's rights activism goes after female teachers who have sexual relationships with boys claiming there being abusive tors them
@bulky_nerd lol
Incorrect use of the "double-standard" argument.
Meninists shoot themselves in the foot in the same way feminists do.
They want to claim women should get the same treatment as male teachers who do the same (i.e. locked up and possibly raped/murdered in jail).
The actual argument should be male teachers should be treated in the same way as female teachers (i.e. lesser sentencing).
@Aldo2 What happened to man's liberation ?
@bulky_nerd same thing that happened to "women's liberation".
It turned into hatred of the opposite sex.
Misogyny/misandry.
Fuckbois and whores.
Yin and Yang.
@Aldo2 Well that sucks
@Aldo2 I know there's different kinds of feminism which one you support or agree with ?
@bulky_nerd I don't know, tbh.
There are aspects to all "waves" that are agreeable, but then obviously there are people within said "waves"/camps who take it too far or who think their version is the end of the line.
In reality, "Feminism" is ever-evolving.
I prefer to say that I'm not for or against modern "feminism".
It is what it is lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9r_pZL4boE&ab_channel=EpicVideos
@Aldo2 What about Simone De Bevoauvior have you heard of her ?
> French
> Relationship with Sartre
I don't have to read about her to know what 90% of her thoughts were hahaha
@Aldo2 If you don't mind me asking are you a political person ?
@bulky_nerd hahaha
I can be.
@Aldo2 To be honest I think politics can get annoying at times
There used to be a saying that "politics and pedophilia don't mix".
But nowadays I think it's the opposite.
They do mix, and they should.
There should unironically be pedo-parties.
@Aldo2 Like what ?
I made a post about this party a while back.
I don't think all Western countries need to copy it 100%, but it gives some good ideas.
The government banned them.
"They hated Jesus because he told the truth"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_for_Neighbourly_Love,_Freedom_and_Diversity
@Aldo2 Yeah I would definitely would love to see a party like that in the US but I'm worried it can go south
It's either this or infiltrationism.
And I'd prefer to be open rather than to hide until I can reveal myself when the situation is favorable.
Assimilationism clearly doesn't work/is a spook in of itself.
@Aldo2 I noticed on there platform there were anti immigration which I guess I can understand
You can't be pro-worker without wanting some restrictions on or control of immigration (both legal and illegal).
@Aldo2 Do you believe there will be a pedophile party again ?
@bulky_nerd I don't think there will literally be a party called "the pedo-party" anytime soon haha
But I think at some point there will be discussions behind closed doors or even in the open, between mainstream political parties.
If they try to double-down (or tripple-down, or quadrupple-down) on the hysteria, then I think people will have had enough. They'll realize the sacrifices of their rights aren't justified to "protect the children".
If they choose to discuss moderating positions somewhat (like Germany did recently with lowering punishments for possession), that would be a good sign.
If that happens, on a larger scale, then I would welcome being proven wrong when an "open" party finally materializes.
@Aldo2 I know the libertarian party did advocated for abolishing or lowering the aoc laws but we don't see that anymore
@Aldo2 Well some people in the libertarian party advocated for it
@bulky_nerd yeah, they got subverted by Yte Natty types.
They only argue in favor of lowering AOC when it comes to replenishing the Yte race using stay-at-home child-brides.
Every other argument relating to child sexuality is "degenerate left-wing Commie pedo trash".
@Aldo2 I wished there was someone out there that will run on MAP rights or any against the narrative
It starts out with small, rebellious protest groups and stickers.
It ends with professional mainstream political parties.
Never forget this.
@Aldo2 Should there a MAP movements now ?
I think there already is one, isn't there?
@Aldo2 Well newgon is consider an organization and I'm not sure mu but I don't think there is one or maybe I'm wrong I don't know
@bulky_nerd there are a couple, although sadly there is a degree of infighting, mostly over trivial matters in all honesty.
If the various groups/orgs put their differences aside for one moment and united in pursuit of one goal, who knows, they might realize that they have more capacity to influence wider society than they thought....
@Aldo2 The only part I'm worried if we ever will ever have a party or a movement everyone is gonna have disagreements because most of them have different political views or who comes in the movement or political party and I'm not a violent person only when I have too
@Aldo2 For a movement we should set politics aside and just only MAP related and stuff related too it
@Aldo2 Should we allow politicians, celebrities or former intelligence to join if they want to support us ? 
I'm on the side of ultra-caution, but I'm not a "leader" haha.
I reckon most would accept them, but they have to be heavily vetted and ideally they'd be public about their positions (they're the ones in the best position to do so, even in spite of blowback).
@Aldo2 What about if they come out being attractive to minors ?
Of course, a large group of people won't agree on everything, but they should agree on some key things. That's how a party or movement works.
I think most people can agree on self-defense haha
@Aldo2 I know we cant stay silent forever