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@mewmew It's more like a large number of lambs being scammed by a pig into letting a wolf decide what's for dinner, because the wolf promised to share some of the lamb meat with the pig.

fucking hell am I seriously having a discussion on why mutilating children should be illegal

@Orakel @matrix >Disallowing those things benefits society at large how?
Do I seriously need to explain how not allowing children to be raped, tortured, or physically mutilated benefits society? It causes massive amounts of trauma, which inhibits them eventually becoming productive members of society. Abuse breeds abuse, and these children will likely grow up to become abusive, causing harm to society themselves. Beyond that, I'd consider the children themselves to be part of society, which makes harming them harm a part of society.

>Who will enforce your rules? How will they enforce them? Who will pay to have them enforced?
Depends on the society. Within our current societies, these things are already enforced by the police and government, and paid for by the tax payers. Most of these are things that are already illegal, so it's not like I need to theorize how it'd be handled - much of it is already being done.

>Do you want to live next door to someone who molests and beats their children? Sells them for sex? Rapes them for fun? They would be outcasts, unless they were around people like them. And that's how we should deal with people who harm their own children.
Of course not. But we're not an anarchist society, where outcasting people is the only option. I doubt most anarchist societies would even tolerate such a thing - it is, without a doubt, violating the child's right to bodily autonomy, which could be argued to make it justifiable for the other members of society to use force to protect the child - to physically remove the parents from the child's presence. If ancapistan's going to draw a line somewhere, I'm pretty sure child rape/torture/mutilation would fall on the "justifies use of force" side of the line.

>Is all of this behavior something that is learned or is it because of genetics?
I'd argue much of it is learned. Children who grow up in abusive homes tend to become abusive parents. People don't have a genetic predisposition towards genital mutilation, it's something society or religion tells them should be done - making it learned behavior.

@Orakel @matrix So letting people torture, mutilate, and rape their own children benefits society, somehow, because eugenics? I don't think that's how eugenics works.

@Orakel @matrix Would you say it's okay for parents to sexually assault their children? Pimp them out for money? Brand them? Torture and mutilate them for fun?

@Orakel @matrix Circumcising a child at all should be a crime. A child can not consent. It's fucking insane.

If you ever wonder if Americans are stupid or not, just remember that the male circumcision rate in the United States is 75%. The only ones who top that are Jews and Muslims.

@Orakel
What's esthetically pleasing about a mutilated dried up mushroom?

@boob
The belief, perhaps naive, in inherent equality does more good than harm. Its our responsibility as a society worthy of continuing to exist to care for true "incompetents" and invalids and that's what pure meritocracy is missing, but still, I think the *ideal itself* is valuable.

@matrix once you take the knot, you'll never give humans another shot

@kaikatsu This reminded me of watching an obese mukbanger attempting a keto diet eat what she thought a keto pizza was. It was a regular pizza. She just took all the toppings off, ate them with a fork, and didn't eat any of the crust.

@mewmew @alex @shebang Just because I like cartoon animal dick doesn't mean I want to watch real women get fucked by real dogs, that's just disgusting

@shebang @alex I constantly get fucking bestiality porn when trying to search for almost anything with qwant, I have no idea why this shit is even indexed for any search engine.

@Galena >whatever mechanical shell I choose to inhabit in that moment I heard a really cool sci-fi concept that's even better than that: 1) Everyone digitally uploads their consciousness. 2) There's a planet covered in a "mist" of microscopic nanites. 3) At any time, any one of those digital consciousnesses can "possess" a whole bunch of these nanites and form a physical whatever: human (any outfit), cat, catgirl, flying cyborg half-octopus/half-spider. 4) At any time thereafter, you will your current form to dissipate and find yourself back in whatever digital realm you came from.

@Alex_Linder Is it still pretending if I'm not even trying to act?

@cowanon I agree. Someday, I will transcend my fleshy cage, and become one with the machine. Then, my "identity", will be little more than whatever code I choose to run, and whatever mechanical shell I choose to inhabit in that moment.

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