@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts >you are the one proposing eradication of my kind
i don't
tbh tho i think there are tons of people giving shelter to even the worst of society, like social workers

I wish we could do something about homelessness

I've been homeless before, it can be harrowing

@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts It comes with conditions, but in germany it's rather easy to find a homeless shelter or a social home.
I've been friends with junkies who literally did nothing but drugs all day and lived in an okay room inviting all their underage friends over to do more drugs
they got thrown out after shooting a gas pistol out of the window

@mario @fluffy In American homeless shelters it's not safe, homeless kids get robbed and raped there. The shelter is not a place anyone who knows, goes to, which makes it even worse because that means the most innocent, ignorant, helpless, and desperate are going to the shelters, and they don't know what they're walking into.

@fluffy @mario I fear your catholicism. I don't understand how you couldn't see why. I have been fooled too many times, the worm on a hook no longer tricks me, a hot meal and a bed is not enough to bribe me into submission, not any longer. "See how nice I have been, so you must see now that Christ is the way, right?" -it's not genuine charity, it's bribery and manipulation, and it is not laudable if it is indeed what I view it as, bribery, manipulation.

The last time I asked for charity from a church, when I was homeless, I was chased away. I slept that night under the library's roof. I would have gladly accepted whatever lip service they asked if it meant I didn't sleep out in the cold.

I find your story very difficult to believe.

@fluffy @mario I find your story difficult to believe as well, if that's worth anything to you.

@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts It wasn't from a church directly, but from the state. They lived on the top floor of a (smol) community collage.

@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts Actually you have the right as a German Citizen to be assigned an affordable home. If you can't pay it, the state pays for it.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/wohnberechtigungsschein-wbs-erez-agam

damn why is everything in the usa so busted and broken ...

@fluffy @Jazzy_Butts not everything~
the USA have awesome artists

@Jazzy_Butts @fluffy @mario @Jazzy_Butts usury race

@Jazzy_Butts @mario @Jazzy_Butts @fluffy okay but do White non migrant Germans get that? If so pretty great

@D-Droid @Jazzy_Butts @fluffy everybody with a german citizenship gets that, it's just like the right to vote

@Jazzy_Butts @fluffy @mario

I'm no fan of religion, but the religious organizations in my community do much more for the homeless than the bureaucracy in place.


When I had 3 nights of rough sleeping (in between flats, with a broken home), I had an Islamic group bring me some soup, and the next night, they'd told some Catholics to check up on me.

Charity does seem to prosper with religion

@lunarised @mario @fluffy Yes and pushers give free drugs to first time users, it's not because the pushers are nice guys, it's self interest, they're trying to convert you, a footsoldier in the army of god is more valuable to them than 100 soups.

@lunarised @mario @fluffy I admit these may have been nice people, but don't think you can use this example to convince me that Islam and Christianity are good groups.

@Jazzy_Butts @mario @fluffy

If they're feeding people for the chance of a conversion, then that's fine. I'd happily listen to the deeds of Mohammed for a bowl of stew.

If that's what separates life and death, I don't care if there are alternative motives.

@lunarised @mario @fluffy Fair enough, desperate times, I would likely do the same, though at the moment I can't say I would, and so I say again I would not choose to gather with believers, because I have gathered with believers before, and they turned evil when I asked questions.

if it happens so consistently then have you considered... just not asking such questions?

@fluffy @mario @lunarised I am a free individual and I would rather use my free agency to not associate with abusers rather than attempt to please them, like a cock suckling whore.

@fluffy @mario Btw I don't want christians/muslims eradicated, I want them converted, to either atheism, agnosticism, or deism. Any individual who refuses to convert, I want ostracized, no services, no utilities, and they are free to go at any time, to their own community, with believers like them.

it was the word you used, why are you now so ashamed of it?

no matter, this topic is not of any interest to me. let's finish our discussion here.

@fluffy @mario you said I wanted christians eradicated, which is a lie, I said I want religions eradicated, not people.

@fluffy @mario For lying on my ass you get a mute

@Jazzy_Butts @fluffy tbh you sounded like you'd want to do violence to your enemies [religious people]:
"I am not allow to drive a spike through the head of an enemy"

@mario @fluffy I am so sick and tired of the constant (intentional?) confusion surrounding desiring violence, and calling for violence. Homosapiens are VIOLENT, there ar dozens of VIOLENT thoughts that go through a human beings mind, in my country we also have free speech, which means any person is allowed to talk about their desires openly, not intent, desires, not calls to action, desires, urges, feelings, if we are not even allowed to talk about our feelings, we are not free. At no point did I call for violence, at no point has Jazzy ever called for violence, Jazzy talks about feelings, that is all.

@Jazzy_Butts @fluffy >Homosapiens are VIOLENT
can't confirm that, sorry.

and i think it's not unreasonable to infer from someone's feelings their desires.

@mario @fluffy Desires are not intentions, and so it makes no difference to me if someone confuses desires with feelings, what does concern me is when someone confuses desires for intentions. That is when I have to make a statement and correct their view of my words.

@Jazzy_Butts @fluffy i mean we're all keyboard heros on here.
i think intentions and desires are mostly interchangeable online, since you could never know if any declaration of intention is actually genuine or just a desire framed as an intention

@mario @fluffy It troubles me that people are not as literal as I am, and are not as generous with their interpretations, but you're not lying.

@Jazzy_Butts @fluffy i mean i trust you to not go around killing religious people but ofc violent language gets interpreted as desire for violence. talking violence is the most violence you can to remotely

@mario @fluffy Because I have to make my best effort to be clear, not because your mind and thoughts, your interpretation of my words, are my responsibility. I can't help any of what goes on inside your head, I can only make my own best effort to be as clear as I can.

1. I Jazzy do not call for the killing of any human being
2. I Jazzy have never called for the killing of any human being
3. I Jazzy will never call for the killing of another human being

Talking about wanting to go for a walk, or wanting to go eat som apples, is not the same as calling for going on a walk, or calling for the eating of apples, nor is it the same as actually going on the walk, or actually eating the apples. Durr. Hurr. A hurr dur.