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@Jazzy_Butts i have a ton of controversial stories, most in school or college, not sure if that constitutes drama you're interested in
@Jazzy_Butts my bad got busy. plenty i can think of but a recent one was getting suspended from college
i was going to a private liberal arts school to mess around with the humanities. polisci, history, anthro was what i've been studying for years already & teachers often called me a polemicist at different schools. butt heads a lot in the Political Science courses. however, it was in a 'history of europe' course that i got nailed.
skipping minor arguments in there for typing's sake we inevitably got to the history of jewry in europe. the polish professor had made a point asserting they were a common scapegoat for europeans' insecurity - unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
i contested, arguing this overlooks a great deal of the story. the professor and i went back and forth over examples of incidents as far back as 60 AD to as recent as Weimar, a redheaded kid chimed in by saying he was highly offended that the professor was even allowing this conversation to occur. he claimed there was no basis in fact or history to support it, that it was a delusion. this dragged on to a good half hour until the professor said class was dismissed. the professor, myself, the redhead, and the redhead's friend stayed behind. we continued discussing, the redhead then said he was offended because he himself is Jewish and the teacher is likewise. he remarked that if i'm so confident in what i'm saying, prove it.
so, later in the day, i offhandedly but wrote up a 3,000 word essay with sources and all, emailed it to the aforementioned. turned into another back & forth with the professor, the redhead on the otherhand decided he was apalled and sent it to the Dean of the college, saying he felt intimidated. threatening to sue if i weren't expelled. the board of inclusion did some investigating to determine the severity of the issue. a campus restraining order was placed to keep me out of the same building as him due to his saying he was paranoid i'd attack him for his background (weird leap). about a week after the mes, security came to my room to question me, he wrote a letter saying he was having trouble sleeping knowing i'm a student at the same university.
this blew up into an impromtu 'class court' hearing over a Zoom call; board of inclusion as the Jury and several faculty as Judge. redhead as complaintant, his best friend as witness, and me as defendant. went on for 6 whole hours -in 2 parts. i streamed the entire thing in my server to my friends bc it was ridiculously funny. i had 3 charges against me / 1 - ahistorical or dishonest student 2 - disruptive 3 - source of harassment. i argued the first 2 charges away, getting former & current professors to comment on my conduct, the consensus was that i was 'intelligent with unfortunate interests'. the professor i had argued with verbatim commented 'gifted but misguided'.
the third charge was immovable because according to the student handbook, harassment lies upon how someone else feels, notwithstanding intention or actual harassing occuring. so, i was slapped with a suspension for four months under the condition that i take a correctional class on how to be more tolerant with my work and only use sources approved by the college.
long winded but that's the short version lol
i was going to a private liberal arts school to mess around with the humanities. polisci, history, anthro was what i've been studying for years already & teachers often called me a polemicist at different schools. butt heads a lot in the Political Science courses. however, it was in a 'history of europe' course that i got nailed.
skipping minor arguments in there for typing's sake we inevitably got to the history of jewry in europe. the polish professor had made a point asserting they were a common scapegoat for europeans' insecurity - unwillingness to take personal responsibility.
i contested, arguing this overlooks a great deal of the story. the professor and i went back and forth over examples of incidents as far back as 60 AD to as recent as Weimar, a redheaded kid chimed in by saying he was highly offended that the professor was even allowing this conversation to occur. he claimed there was no basis in fact or history to support it, that it was a delusion. this dragged on to a good half hour until the professor said class was dismissed. the professor, myself, the redhead, and the redhead's friend stayed behind. we continued discussing, the redhead then said he was offended because he himself is Jewish and the teacher is likewise. he remarked that if i'm so confident in what i'm saying, prove it.
so, later in the day, i offhandedly but wrote up a 3,000 word essay with sources and all, emailed it to the aforementioned. turned into another back & forth with the professor, the redhead on the otherhand decided he was apalled and sent it to the Dean of the college, saying he felt intimidated. threatening to sue if i weren't expelled. the board of inclusion did some investigating to determine the severity of the issue. a campus restraining order was placed to keep me out of the same building as him due to his saying he was paranoid i'd attack him for his background (weird leap). about a week after the mes, security came to my room to question me, he wrote a letter saying he was having trouble sleeping knowing i'm a student at the same university.
this blew up into an impromtu 'class court' hearing over a Zoom call; board of inclusion as the Jury and several faculty as Judge. redhead as complaintant, his best friend as witness, and me as defendant. went on for 6 whole hours -in 2 parts. i streamed the entire thing in my server to my friends bc it was ridiculously funny. i had 3 charges against me / 1 - ahistorical or dishonest student 2 - disruptive 3 - source of harassment. i argued the first 2 charges away, getting former & current professors to comment on my conduct, the consensus was that i was 'intelligent with unfortunate interests'. the professor i had argued with verbatim commented 'gifted but misguided'.
the third charge was immovable because according to the student handbook, harassment lies upon how someone else feels, notwithstanding intention or actual harassing occuring. so, i was slapped with a suspension for four months under the condition that i take a correctional class on how to be more tolerant with my work and only use sources approved by the college.
long winded but that's the short version lol
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts
i feel like the game here is that you have to try and make it seem like he was harassing you for being black
i feel like the game here is that you have to try and make it seem like he was harassing you for being black
@rats @Jazzy_Butts i don't believe this works since a Jewish kid would technically have more oppression to flaunt than a Black, although on the surface the average student would call him white. my friends during the stream were making the same suggestion, halfjokingly, though
@rats @Jazzy_Butts many such cases indeed yes, i had encountered that exact phrase throughout middle school and high school. the high school memories are fun in their own right, i still have presentations and papers from 11th grade to first term of college saved on a flashdrive. i had a particular fascination with racial anthropology and atypical worldviews so i wasn't shocked ofc
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts im so underread with history that it comes off so impressive to me when someone can just spout it like this
makes sense that you hopped around a lot of diff classes being a gadfly lol but it seems like u already had an aptitude for it
its one of those things that i always had trouble getting it to stick in my brain but its easier as i get older and have stuff from like literature + art history to stick historical context to lol
makes sense that you hopped around a lot of diff classes being a gadfly lol but it seems like u already had an aptitude for it
its one of those things that i always had trouble getting it to stick in my brain but its easier as i get older and have stuff from like literature + art history to stick historical context to lol
@rats @Jazzy_Butts i'm incredibly passionate about history. not but some months ago i wrote lengthy essays for small groups i ran into online just for fun and i did mini lectures at farms and antique stores in the last state i lived.
it sticks in my head if i find it speaking to my childish traits. as a kid my favourite literature & media revolved around the Wild West, mainly Clint Eastwood as cliché as that is. watched chuck connors with my great grandma. my favourite film was Der Untergang. that sort of thing. English Lit and History of every type (excluding Oriental and Latin American history) were my top scores. computer science & coding was almost my fav but i couldn't get the same thrill
it sticks in my head if i find it speaking to my childish traits. as a kid my favourite literature & media revolved around the Wild West, mainly Clint Eastwood as cliché as that is. watched chuck connors with my great grandma. my favourite film was Der Untergang. that sort of thing. English Lit and History of every type (excluding Oriental and Latin American history) were my top scores. computer science & coding was almost my fav but i couldn't get the same thrill
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts
that's really fascinating to me and i see parallels with myself, not with the content itself but with the process. i was a little nerd and hopped on the internet and as i discovered the avant-garde at a really young age (through bands like boredoms, & net art) i ended up having a similar fixation on maximalism, intensity, and aesthetic theory that made me more the sort of kid that would skip classes in high school to read pynchon / burroughs / joyce in the hallway
it all ground to a halt for an embarassingly long time as my own mental illnesses made me lose the steam i had for like, a fucking decade, until i got medicated again but all that stuff still speaks to me at my core & i kind of end up refracting my politics / philosophy / understanding of things through an art crit lens
rip morgan vogel, you effectively created me
that's really fascinating to me and i see parallels with myself, not with the content itself but with the process. i was a little nerd and hopped on the internet and as i discovered the avant-garde at a really young age (through bands like boredoms, & net art) i ended up having a similar fixation on maximalism, intensity, and aesthetic theory that made me more the sort of kid that would skip classes in high school to read pynchon / burroughs / joyce in the hallway
it all ground to a halt for an embarassingly long time as my own mental illnesses made me lose the steam i had for like, a fucking decade, until i got medicated again but all that stuff still speaks to me at my core & i kind of end up refracting my politics / philosophy / understanding of things through an art crit lens
rip morgan vogel, you effectively created me
@rats @Jazzy_Butts ironically i hopped on the internet somewhat late. in 2009 or so i was using tumblr for artwork inspiration, 2012 it was google plus. 2016 it was twitter. for the most part i used the web as a platform for excercising my argumentation skill and chatting with people who were in different cliques.
i didn't start listening to music until about 2013, my first favourite band was Ninja Sex Party. didn't know any real bands except artists i heard second-hand (metallica, mcr).
my reading was largely done with physical books i found at stores or libraries, although i picked up using the internet to read in 2018 so that expanded my horizons. still prefer paper personally. in the hallway i was reading Mein Kampf, sounds edgy but i've been fascinated with it for like 6 years now and i've read every translation by now. i did like novelists, pynchon is a cool one.
my aesthetics (you've seen the selfie) change depending on where i am in life, currently i'm living as a saddle tramp so i've got the look to match and all of those fashy flairs attached.
im hyper averse to medication, in elementary school i never touched the stuff unless it was a flintstones vitamin. in middle school i gave therapists the silent treatment and in recent years i have had doctors prescribe anti-psychs but i just don't take them. i feel taking those can sever something you can't just bring back. then again i also don't drink water and treat grains like poison so i'm not a model for dietary advice.
i get what you mean, i have long runs of mania then slump into do-nothing for months, wanting to pick up my hobbies again without knowing how to. that's my state rn :p
i didn't start listening to music until about 2013, my first favourite band was Ninja Sex Party. didn't know any real bands except artists i heard second-hand (metallica, mcr).
my reading was largely done with physical books i found at stores or libraries, although i picked up using the internet to read in 2018 so that expanded my horizons. still prefer paper personally. in the hallway i was reading Mein Kampf, sounds edgy but i've been fascinated with it for like 6 years now and i've read every translation by now. i did like novelists, pynchon is a cool one.
my aesthetics (you've seen the selfie) change depending on where i am in life, currently i'm living as a saddle tramp so i've got the look to match and all of those fashy flairs attached.
im hyper averse to medication, in elementary school i never touched the stuff unless it was a flintstones vitamin. in middle school i gave therapists the silent treatment and in recent years i have had doctors prescribe anti-psychs but i just don't take them. i feel taking those can sever something you can't just bring back. then again i also don't drink water and treat grains like poison so i'm not a model for dietary advice.
i get what you mean, i have long runs of mania then slump into do-nothing for months, wanting to pick up my hobbies again without knowing how to. that's my state rn :p
@doorroo Oy vey, someone questioned the tribe, get the zoom call set up!! It's this sort of reaction that causes people to dislike them regardless of their identity.
@Jazzy_Butts that's why i streamed it. wanted to put on display that it is a real phenomena. technically wasn't allowed to since two-party consent state.
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts this anti-bullying move to defining all forms of harassment as per the victim's point of view is a really stupid oversight. It was very noticeable in discussions during corporate training meetings over no sexual harassment/discrimination tolerance policies; in every case now it comes down to cancel culture. Literally anybody can spew some bullshit claiming they feel insulted, offended, threatened, etc - and that's it, they're automatically the winner.
in specific examples, used in these discussions with HR and in practice, you could have two people on break, outside the building, smoking and talking or joking with each other or even talking about a completely benign subject. If ONE person happens to walk up to them and hears a single word they don't like, they can claim harassment. If you so much as glance at somebody in passing and they want to, they can claim harassment and you instantly end up suspended or fired.
beefing up the anti-harassment rules/laws to protect people who were otherwise forced to suffer actual harassment and discrimination was a good idea, but it was very poorly executed in practice, and put into law and corporate policies that only serves to invent criminals where there aren't any.
....and this tendency to scream "that's antisemitic!" at literally fucking everything that mentions a jew or anything related to jews, and even when a conversation has nothing at all to do with jews, is the same fucking issue. The modern jew is not a victim, they aren't victimized. They are acting like victims for clout and benefits, and to conceal corruption (setting aside cases where it goes from "banker jew" memes into trying to prove this or that person in whatever position you don't like is a jew and whipping up stupid conspiracies where there aren't any).
For having suffered a genocide and being a victimized minority, there seem to be an awful lot of "jews" literally everywhere.
Thing is, most of those are just regular fucking people living regular fucking lives. But some of them do take advantage of the pity they've convinced society we all owe them, and they act like they have some sort of legal immunity to any form of criticism or rational discussion or the fucking truth if it doesn't benefit them directly.
It's literally the same thing black american kids do in upper/middle class schools when they bring up racism and slavery and as they are owed groveling by the white kids sitting next to them. Difference is, the jews have been successful with this ploy on a massive scale almost worldwide, and to the point it's literally illegal to research the holocaust.
this sort of corruption fucking infuriates me. And the absurdity of people who get offended over banker-jew memes (when it's a fact that those all-powerful evil bankers actually are jews) is funnier than th ememes themselves. I can't count the number of times I've said things that were not even memes or insults, that some butthurt person who wasn't even part of the conversation declared was some antisemitic slur.
it's fucking bullshit. Retarded, with a capital R. And the more stories like this I hear of them being spoiled, shitty little princesses and actively ruining someone's live over some bullshit need to abuse the politically correct pity factor, the more I come to despise anyone who takes jewish ancestry seriously. Especially in the modern era, where EVERY ethnicity is getting heavily mixed with everything else. Fucking ethnicity doesn't fucking matter. It never did, really. It was never a good reason to discriminate against people, and it has never been a good excuse to play the "racial victim" card either.
Rant aside, disclaimer would like to inform y'all that I am not only white and male and not a jew, I have friends who ARE black, who ARE jews, and a few who are actually both. I'm not racist. I'm not antisemitic. I don't judge fuckers for skin color or who the hell their great-grand-mum was, I judge them for being the fuckers they are.
🖕a'ight i think i'm spent on ranting for now.
in specific examples, used in these discussions with HR and in practice, you could have two people on break, outside the building, smoking and talking or joking with each other or even talking about a completely benign subject. If ONE person happens to walk up to them and hears a single word they don't like, they can claim harassment. If you so much as glance at somebody in passing and they want to, they can claim harassment and you instantly end up suspended or fired.
beefing up the anti-harassment rules/laws to protect people who were otherwise forced to suffer actual harassment and discrimination was a good idea, but it was very poorly executed in practice, and put into law and corporate policies that only serves to invent criminals where there aren't any.
....and this tendency to scream "that's antisemitic!" at literally fucking everything that mentions a jew or anything related to jews, and even when a conversation has nothing at all to do with jews, is the same fucking issue. The modern jew is not a victim, they aren't victimized. They are acting like victims for clout and benefits, and to conceal corruption (setting aside cases where it goes from "banker jew" memes into trying to prove this or that person in whatever position you don't like is a jew and whipping up stupid conspiracies where there aren't any).
For having suffered a genocide and being a victimized minority, there seem to be an awful lot of "jews" literally everywhere.
Thing is, most of those are just regular fucking people living regular fucking lives. But some of them do take advantage of the pity they've convinced society we all owe them, and they act like they have some sort of legal immunity to any form of criticism or rational discussion or the fucking truth if it doesn't benefit them directly.
It's literally the same thing black american kids do in upper/middle class schools when they bring up racism and slavery and as they are owed groveling by the white kids sitting next to them. Difference is, the jews have been successful with this ploy on a massive scale almost worldwide, and to the point it's literally illegal to research the holocaust.
this sort of corruption fucking infuriates me. And the absurdity of people who get offended over banker-jew memes (when it's a fact that those all-powerful evil bankers actually are jews) is funnier than th ememes themselves. I can't count the number of times I've said things that were not even memes or insults, that some butthurt person who wasn't even part of the conversation declared was some antisemitic slur.
it's fucking bullshit. Retarded, with a capital R. And the more stories like this I hear of them being spoiled, shitty little princesses and actively ruining someone's live over some bullshit need to abuse the politically correct pity factor, the more I come to despise anyone who takes jewish ancestry seriously. Especially in the modern era, where EVERY ethnicity is getting heavily mixed with everything else. Fucking ethnicity doesn't fucking matter. It never did, really. It was never a good reason to discriminate against people, and it has never been a good excuse to play the "racial victim" card either.
Rant aside, disclaimer would like to inform y'all that I am not only white and male and not a jew, I have friends who ARE black, who ARE jews, and a few who are actually both. I'm not racist. I'm not antisemitic. I don't judge fuckers for skin color or who the hell their great-grand-mum was, I judge them for being the fuckers they are.
🖕a'ight i think i'm spent on ranting for now.
@bitterblossom @Jazzy_Butts effectively it, the corporations and institutions go to back-breaking lengths to avoid confrontation or complaint. the Dean of the college admitted as much, she needs him satisfied, it was *i* who crossed his personal boundary of historical comfort, so my end is his security. what i said did not reach conspiracy-related grounds (i mean, if it had i'd still be able to pour out hours worth of points but i digress).
can't say i agree with the last point, ethnicity matters, preserving ethnicity perpetuates group uniqueness and capabilities which would otherwise be lost or downgraded from mixing
can't say i agree with the last point, ethnicity matters, preserving ethnicity perpetuates group uniqueness and capabilities which would otherwise be lost or downgraded from mixing
@bitterblossom @Jazzy_Butts @doorroo
> If you so much as glance at somebody in passing and they want to, they can claim harassment and you instantly end up suspended or fired.
tbh if there is a 'point' to this instance its (at least originally / predominantly) being a bunch of trannies/femboys that could out-edgelord everyone else to the point where ppl are submitting bogus reports to our host cuz their sensibilities were offended / spamming us with gore cuz we posted a selfie and we can make fun of it being so low-res or whatever
(& then at least for me - try and channel that back into genuine friendship and positivity and construction because at the end of the day i really want to be a nice, pleasant person and have conversations w/ ppl)
but its been really fascinating to see when ppl are trying to put out some jaded persona to just completely implode in the same way they complain about other ppl doing lol
> If you so much as glance at somebody in passing and they want to, they can claim harassment and you instantly end up suspended or fired.
tbh if there is a 'point' to this instance its (at least originally / predominantly) being a bunch of trannies/femboys that could out-edgelord everyone else to the point where ppl are submitting bogus reports to our host cuz their sensibilities were offended / spamming us with gore cuz we posted a selfie and we can make fun of it being so low-res or whatever
(& then at least for me - try and channel that back into genuine friendship and positivity and construction because at the end of the day i really want to be a nice, pleasant person and have conversations w/ ppl)
but its been really fascinating to see when ppl are trying to put out some jaded persona to just completely implode in the same way they complain about other ppl doing lol
@rats @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo some people are truly hateful and wont let others in their bubble at any cost
@rats @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo well, without compromising on one's own beliefs. i'm not gonna back down on what i believe to be fact, just because someone doesn't want to deal with me
@Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo @rats thing is, everyone touts their knowledge as fact, and that's where we reach an impasse
@opal @Jazzy_Butts @doorroo @rats not everyone
it's a minority, but some people do acknowledge that they are not in fact omniscient and perfect and all that.
there's been a few times i've been corrected on different matters here on fedi and been forced to change what i think (for instance, there was a point i thought jews were only bound by religious heritage; didn't realize it was actually a genetic thing).
that said, i'm a stubborn fuck and a heavy thinker even if don't always have words for shit, so i'm usually very adamant about my stances when i do have something to say. i also tend to look at the larger picture and refuse to let myself get stuck in some tiny little box, so when i see people who clearly don't understand even half of what i'm taking for granted, no amount of convincing is going to budge my thinking until they can bring some point to my attention that exists outside my current perspective on the subject (very rarely does anyone manage to actually do so).
it's a minority, but some people do acknowledge that they are not in fact omniscient and perfect and all that.
there's been a few times i've been corrected on different matters here on fedi and been forced to change what i think (for instance, there was a point i thought jews were only bound by religious heritage; didn't realize it was actually a genetic thing).
that said, i'm a stubborn fuck and a heavy thinker even if don't always have words for shit, so i'm usually very adamant about my stances when i do have something to say. i also tend to look at the larger picture and refuse to let myself get stuck in some tiny little box, so when i see people who clearly don't understand even half of what i'm taking for granted, no amount of convincing is going to budge my thinking until they can bring some point to my attention that exists outside my current perspective on the subject (very rarely does anyone manage to actually do so).
@bitterblossom @Jazzy_Butts @doorroo @rats hm, the way i look at my own knowledge, i can only commit things to my brain if they "make sense" with everything else i have learned. i guess i'm just really stubborn in that regard
i guess it matters if you initially held your beliefs to be true before you changed them. i've done that before, i still consider that "holding to what i believe is true" even if we are more malleable to accept external influence on those beliefs
i guess it matters if you initially held your beliefs to be true before you changed them. i've done that before, i still consider that "holding to what i believe is true" even if we are more malleable to accept external influence on those beliefs
@opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo yeah everything i believe right now is my best-effort synthesis of putting everything i know together in a coherent way
@opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @rats i've personally always said there is nothing in my brain i would consider untrue, nothing that is not fact or leading up to fact besides baseless self-doubt. i'm not omniscient, i simply work to make my knowledge as complete as can be with what is available, my initial beliefs come from a largely impartial place then i decorate them with personal experience and feeling. on the other hand i love playing devils' advocate so that means i'm able to convince myself of something i consider untrue momentarily, kind of weird
@doorroo @opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom yeah i can't believe anything without a good reason, but i also love playing around/being a trickster/contrarian, so i do deliberately try to smush things in weird directions and then make sure they stay stable
i find it pretty fun to take a really wild premise and then try and build enough of a structure around it that i could maybe trick some people into buying it if they don't think about it too too hard, and more than once it's actually made me end up kind of believing it (or at least genuinely unsure if i believe it or not)
i find it pretty fun to take a really wild premise and then try and build enough of a structure around it that i could maybe trick some people into buying it if they don't think about it too too hard, and more than once it's actually made me end up kind of believing it (or at least genuinely unsure if i believe it or not)
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @opal i remember i was trying to come up with as many fake conspiracy theories as possible until i filled an iceberg chart with them and for some reason "big pharma is suppressing sarsaparilla" really lodged itself in my brain lmao. idk if anyone on the internet is screaming about that one but id endorse them
@Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo @opal wait i thought sarsparilla was the one containing sassafras but its root beer
wtf they are SUPPRESSING our fucking MEDICINE
wtf they are SUPPRESSING our fucking MEDICINE
@rats @opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom Big Pharma officially tied to Nuka Cola as Medicinal Ginger Nuka hits shelves - Skeptics Claim Sunset Sarsaparilla being Suppressed - Is Nuclear Enhanced Medicine Better than Organic Holistic Healing?
@doorroo @opal @Jazzy_Butts @rats that better end up in a modded magazine or something in one of the games
@rats @opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom i wrote a long tangent about how Hitler was actually a hippie and defended it fiercely in a friend group until they kicked me from the chat for a week
there was also a time in class where i had talked about school shootings being a system of loosely organised eugenics by the government to see which students and staff will conform to emergency protocols and which will act independently
there was also a time in class where i had talked about school shootings being a system of loosely organised eugenics by the government to see which students and staff will conform to emergency protocols and which will act independently
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @rats i continue to think that school shootings are part of a larger psyop
@opal @Jazzy_Butts @doorroo @rats i agree in principle if not event; i stopped trying to research details on them one way or another years ago. i'm pretty sure most are false flag ops caused by the FBI or potentially CIA as excuses to push gun legislation and other issues, but i can't say for certain.
@opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @rats a bunch of erratic similar stature guys on similar medications, carrying with weapons you typically leave under your bed for self defense, suddenly deciding that hitting randoms who don't relate to who they detest is definitely a psyop
@doorroo @rats @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @opal Hitler really was a "hippie" just in a competent and effective manner. Vegetarian, caring for animals and workers rights, etc. The only difference is that the American 60's hippies were influenced by psychedelic drugs instead of divine blood memory.
@Arkana @opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @rats that's the angle i argued from. huge environmentalist (animal rights, vegeterianism, natural parks), a syncretic believer in dharmic faith (references plural Gods in his speeches), anti-Statist (proposed that the police should be dismantled and the State only be a means to an end), big into the arts and astronomy, believed nomads were more ideal than empires, donated a lot of his money bc he disliked spending, mandated family gardens and hiking programs, so forth. main aim was for collective+individual self-sufficiency. the contrarian part was using Hippie as the label for that
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @opal @rats I have heard that much of the philosophy of the hippies was carried over from the "eco-facists" however the disdain for violence comes out a lot differently when you wield the levels of power and when you don't.
@Arkana @opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @rats well yes actually, think of the symbol hippies use. the Peace Sign, it's an upsidedown lebensrune, or a rightsideup death rune, in a circle. NS programmes & the SS employed the life rune consistently, it is life-affirming, a tree, a man reaching his arms towards the sky, an embracing cross. why would hippies use an inversion of a life-affirming symbol? almost unintentionally calling themselves complacent, stagnant
@doorroo @opal @Jazzy_Butts @rats nobody likes being wrong, but i'd rather be corrected than willfully ignorant of the truth.
in some cases though, information just isn't relevant or important enough for me to care; for instance, i can't tell modern cars apart unless i have them sitting right next to each other to compare them visually, and even then i can't tell you which is what make or model; but most guys i know can do exactly that, and some can spit out the make, model, year, and variations of every fucking car produced in the past century.
in the case of weed, i smoke it so infrequently it doesn't matter to me what strain is what; i just share whatever my buddies are smoking, and along the way i get high and either hit a panic attack or fall asleep if i have too much. but my ex-gf can literally talk for hours on end about the strains (she's an absolute stoner, no other way to describe her really)
in some cases though, information just isn't relevant or important enough for me to care; for instance, i can't tell modern cars apart unless i have them sitting right next to each other to compare them visually, and even then i can't tell you which is what make or model; but most guys i know can do exactly that, and some can spit out the make, model, year, and variations of every fucking car produced in the past century.
in the case of weed, i smoke it so infrequently it doesn't matter to me what strain is what; i just share whatever my buddies are smoking, and along the way i get high and either hit a panic attack or fall asleep if i have too much. but my ex-gf can literally talk for hours on end about the strains (she's an absolute stoner, no other way to describe her really)
@opal @Jazzy_Butts @doorroo @rats we are taught certain data sets, and we learn others on our own; our minds attempt to make sense of everything. Intuition is more or less just a subconscious form of pattern-following extrapolation.
receiving contrary info is hard to deal with. it doesn't make sense to the world we've defined in our heads, especially if other datasets are reliant on that piece of information. we have instinctive defense mechanisms that cause hostility over this issue (i think there's an actual term for it, don't remember for sure).
we don't have this problem so much as children because we haven't learned enough yet; there are still mysteries, and many possibilities; typically, the first explanation we get with causal "this does that because this" or "this causes that" or "this is real" we glue to our understanding of reality. Then, someday, something might come along to deny it, and whether that's a small piece or a big one, it's a hassle to reevaluate everything over changing it. We need "proof" or convincing to bother with the effort.
most of us believed in things like the tooth fairy, santa claus, etc, as children. We were told to believe them, given convincing proofs in the form of presents and letters, etc. How traumatic was it when you learned otherwise, and realized that your parents had lied to you about it?
then you consider topics like homosexuality and sin, and the fact that most christians grew up having some very scary and ABSOLUTE "truths" shoved into their heads, combined with an array of data that would cause them to disbelieve any opposing truths or explanations as devilish trickery intending to drag them to hell and consign their souls to eternal suffering.... and the stakes are even higher for them to refuse even considering that they and everything they've known is a fat lie, or a manipulation of a truth, or even a simple misunderstanding.
take the rule against pork for instance. there's nothing sinful about bacon, but way back whenever the hell, there were issues with disease and parasites and whatnot, so it was actually dangerous for people to consume pig meat. but that info made it into religion somehow, and now it's a religious belief that "pork is unclean" which is absolute bullshit, no longer in proper context.
but you go try to tell that to the pope and have them admit to the world that the bible is outdated.
receiving contrary info is hard to deal with. it doesn't make sense to the world we've defined in our heads, especially if other datasets are reliant on that piece of information. we have instinctive defense mechanisms that cause hostility over this issue (i think there's an actual term for it, don't remember for sure).
we don't have this problem so much as children because we haven't learned enough yet; there are still mysteries, and many possibilities; typically, the first explanation we get with causal "this does that because this" or "this causes that" or "this is real" we glue to our understanding of reality. Then, someday, something might come along to deny it, and whether that's a small piece or a big one, it's a hassle to reevaluate everything over changing it. We need "proof" or convincing to bother with the effort.
most of us believed in things like the tooth fairy, santa claus, etc, as children. We were told to believe them, given convincing proofs in the form of presents and letters, etc. How traumatic was it when you learned otherwise, and realized that your parents had lied to you about it?
then you consider topics like homosexuality and sin, and the fact that most christians grew up having some very scary and ABSOLUTE "truths" shoved into their heads, combined with an array of data that would cause them to disbelieve any opposing truths or explanations as devilish trickery intending to drag them to hell and consign their souls to eternal suffering.... and the stakes are even higher for them to refuse even considering that they and everything they've known is a fat lie, or a manipulation of a truth, or even a simple misunderstanding.
take the rule against pork for instance. there's nothing sinful about bacon, but way back whenever the hell, there were issues with disease and parasites and whatnot, so it was actually dangerous for people to consume pig meat. but that info made it into religion somehow, and now it's a religious belief that "pork is unclean" which is absolute bullshit, no longer in proper context.
but you go try to tell that to the pope and have them admit to the world that the bible is outdated.
@bitterblossom @Jazzy_Butts @doorroo @rats
>How traumatic was it when you learned otherwise
i was already into science a lot as a kid, i wanted to set up my laptop in the den to record on christmas eve but my dad ruined my fun by just blurting out "he isn't real" not knowing that i don't care, i just wanted to find things out myself
>How traumatic was it when you learned otherwise
i was already into science a lot as a kid, i wanted to set up my laptop in the den to record on christmas eve but my dad ruined my fun by just blurting out "he isn't real" not knowing that i don't care, i just wanted to find things out myself
@bitterblossom @opal @doorroo @rats Once someone said indica was the stimulant weed and sativa was the sedative weed, I politely suggested I have heard otherwise, I went from their favorite person to their most hated enemy
@Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo @rats it's weird because i have a bad baseline anxiety, such that indica actually helps me focus, whereas sativa just gives me a headache
@opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo i have very bad baseline anxiety so both of them just put me in the fetal position while i can only think about how my friends pity me because they think im pathetic
@rats @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo i'm curious how you would fare with a cbd-only strain. it's antipsychotic whereas thc has a tendency to evoke paranoia and such
@rats @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @doorroo me either but i oughta have some cbd flower on hand. i used tinctures as well
@rats @opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom every strain makes me feel off, i can't explain why. from a bong, a pen, a flower, i get a deep worry that someone is trying to get into my head and i get like, hyper-aware of my body. i can't find any explanation or similar posts about it for some reason. when i use either type of weed moving my eyes or blinking hurts, i can feel my hair moving, my tongue gets really CRT staticy, my vision gets blurry. scary
@AbNormal @opal @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @rats i don't have any allergies and don't take any meds. i reacted to weed fine when i was in highschool, made me mellow. but, my german friend did say my schizotypal disorder will worsen when i turn into my early 20s. i'm almost 21 now, could be it?
@doorroo @bitterblossom @rats @AbNormal @opal I have not seen evidence yet that proves whether the mentally ill are predisposed to seek drugs or if drug use causes mental illness, I consider it an unknown area
the brain is a mysterious machination
@doorroo @Jazzy_Butts @bitterblossom @rats @AbNormal
>a personality disorder characterized by thought disorder, paranoia, a characteristic form of social anxiety, derealization, transient psychosis, and unconventional beliefs.
well, i can definitely say from this:
>i get a deep worry that someone is trying to get into my head
is a telltale sign of paranoia. weed provokes paranoia. i kept smoking/vaping it despite that, because on weed i could recognise it as paranoia and not let it have a hold on me. it kinda... caricaturised my existing anxieties, made them tangible, and let me divorce myself from those feelings easier
for real i got super stoned after my friend left my apartment and i was checking behind me because i thought he was still there, because my fucking spatial awareness was jank. once i realised that, it came together that maybe i'm misprocessing a lot, the anxiety's a symptom of that. so in my case weed paradoxically helped that
>a personality disorder characterized by thought disorder, paranoia, a characteristic form of social anxiety, derealization, transient psychosis, and unconventional beliefs.
well, i can definitely say from this:
>i get a deep worry that someone is trying to get into my head
is a telltale sign of paranoia. weed provokes paranoia. i kept smoking/vaping it despite that, because on weed i could recognise it as paranoia and not let it have a hold on me. it kinda... caricaturised my existing anxieties, made them tangible, and let me divorce myself from those feelings easier
for real i got super stoned after my friend left my apartment and i was checking behind me because i thought he was still there, because my fucking spatial awareness was jank. once i realised that, it came together that maybe i'm misprocessing a lot, the anxiety's a symptom of that. so in my case weed paradoxically helped that
