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@Sp @unspeakabledesire What's the difference between barter and capitalism? Isn't capitalism just bartering with tokens?
Capitalism is the accumulation of the means of production as private property while not working, and buying your time to work and removing yourself from the product/service you created
Using cars as example
The workers make the cars. The owner doesn't take part in the production nor organization most often and yet makes most of the money
And those who make the cars?
Make barely enough to live, even if they created the whole value of the thing
That is capitalism
Socialism, on the other hand:
When a car factory opens, they are cooperatives, and the first cars were made by the workers and owned by them. After making the first batch, the workers enter the new cars they just made and drive home
This is socialism. You own the value of your labour
Now, barter is just trade, it has nothing to do with capitalism nor socialism, nor feudalism nor any other system, because barter, trade itself, can happen for a multitude of reason
We can exchange things that are useless to us both. This is not capitalism, as no coercion happened and no forced consent took place
I can make something and sell to you for a service, and that's not capitalism because no one's work was expropriated for profit
and so on
@Sp @unspeakabledesire So capitalism is just slavery, see this is what I thought as a kid even but they said I was literally insane and forced me to take drugs that fucked my brain up hardcore
@Sp @unspeakabledesire That explains why they A Clockwork Oranged me, they knew exactly what they were doing, they knew it, and I knew that, but I couldn't figure out what system they were from, for a while I thought they were satanists, but they were capitalists, marchers, slaves and slaves who control slaves beneath them, it's like a pyramid scheme of slavery where there's one guy on top of everyone elses backs and they all justify it to themselves because there's they think they're special for not having it as bad as someone lower status, but really, unless you're on top you're getting shit on, just like in gangs too.
@Sp @unspeakabledesire I wish all communists were as nice as you. I thought communism was bad because all I knew was that bad people did things under its flag, but really, it's the system I agree with most, it's logical, capitalism is evil, it's like tricking a baby, it's tricking dumb people, and then it's even worse because they started "handling" strikers, imagine if a parent when confronted by their child over abuse, kills and burys the child, that's what capitalism has done to many of its children.
It became an intellectual circlejerk
But it is a sound ideology and I can't help but to believe in it, seeing past and present experiences
@cummies @Sp @unspeakabledesire Yea I was a cool hip kid who didn't follow any of the rules, a class clown, well liked, then they (the administration) started fucking with me, targeting me, telling the other kids not to laugh at my jokes, forced me to take drugs, I began to be bullied by my former friends, I found out later that people had started a rumor that I sexually assaulted a girl (I have no idea how this rumor started, no girls would have let me close enough to do that if I tried, I was that hated)
Or if I'm just being paranoid
Idk
If you have someone work for you 24/7 for free, it's slavery
If you have someone work for you 23/7 for $1/month, it's slavery
Paying a wage and letting you work less time doesn't mean it's not slavery, because the logic of both is the same
And that is
The worker doesn't get the value of their work, and the boss/master does