When people call gaza getting roflstomped for what hamas did, hamas who they support, a genocide, I don't think they understand what a genocide is. Blowing up some buildings and burying suspected fighters is not a genocide even if it might be a warcrime. All gaza has to do is surrender, there are and have always been arabs in israel and they get along fine, gaza and hamas are assholes. Not a genocide. Fuck you.
@Jazzy_Butts 28k civilian fatalities and 2k possible fighter fatalities doesn't ring alarm bells in your mind? Glad you aren't in any positions of power :/

@ROYALTY @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business I haven't bothered looking at the numbers, but I blame every one of those deaths on Hamas.

@Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY @Jazzy_Butts well do research then because this issue and the mass displacement and genocide of palestinian arabs dates back much MUCH farther than october 7, 2023 and while i don't directly support hamas they're literally the closest thing to any kind of liberation force palestine has

for future reference, if you wanna talk about issues like these *and be taken seriously* then look at some numbers and, most especially, history. israel had already occupied way more land than just what palestine was as far back as the 40s, 50s, and 60s when they occupied parts of syria (which they still claim), and egypt (the sinai peninsula was returned after years of occupation)

these are delicate matters with decades (and in the case of the levant in general, centuries and millenia) of complex history and boiling it down simply to "israel attacking gaza because of hamas" is, quite frankly, pure ignorance on your behalf.
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@pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY Ok sorry I picked the side that doesn't want to throw me off a roof.

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@pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY I guess they must be keeping all those Israeli pride parade massacres secret because Israel looks like the only middle eastern country where people are allowed to be fucking gay.
@Jazzy_Butts @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY i genuinely dont care about that, this issue is so far past queer rights that that's honestly irrelevant. plus the levant and middle east have been destabilized by western powers for so long that it's no wonder extremist religious groups run the show around everything because what else is going to keep civilians safe from foreign military occupations at this point

you really just don't want to look at the big picture do you? if not, stop talking about this, you only come across as an idiot at best and a zionist shill at worst
@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts irrelevant, nobody is telling you to support hamas. What we're trying to tell you is that support for the past and current Israeli régimes isnt compatible with any sort of humanitarian or anti colonialist theory. But if you want support a gay accepting oppressive state, that on you. Just know that this same disregard and blind support is what lead up to the genocides of the 20th century.

@ROYALTY @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business Sorry hamas fa and fo, if israel had done the inverse and parachuted rapists into gaza and gang raped children in the streets and hamas blew the fuck out of Israel and killed everyone I'd be on their side. None of you are going to fucking convince me. This is not about groups, I am opposed to rapist pigs who proudly display their barbarism.

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@Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts what the fuck are you on?

You know what those pieces of shit done recently? THEY BOMBED A KINDERGARDEN. THEY'RE BOMBING HOSPITALS, SCHOOLS AND "SAFE ZONES". They want to massacre all of Palestince to make their own shitty ass country.
https://twitter.com/NourNaim88/status/1753910325735268599
https://x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1754551724642128274?s=20
https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1752290555554660503?s=20
https://x.com/ashoswai/status/1754051971055518065?s=20

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY BLAME HAMAS FOR ILLEGALLY USING THOSE CIVILIAN CENTERS FOR MILITARY OPERATIONS

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@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY NO, I WILL BLAME ISRAEL FOR MURDERING INNOCENT CHILDREN.

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY If someone takes a child and puts it between themselves and a bear and then they piss the bear off, you would say the bear killed the child, not their terrible parent? I would blame the terrible parent, the bears reaction would be expected.

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@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY You're just now saying shit. What the fuck do you mean. This allegory doesn't work because in what way there's a justification for a person to kill a child

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY No idea what confuses you about my analogy. I don't understand why their motive matters at all to you. Do you think the child is Israel in this analogy? The child is their own children they are using as shields.

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@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY
No I just don't undestand why we gotta justify killing children. I despise Israel for bombing places where innocent people are sheltered, this includes children.
Yes when you anger a WILD ANIMAL and that wild animal attacks a child out of their INSTINCT it's the parents fault that this child wasn't protected

how is a parent gotta protect their child from a bomb? Or armed soldier? They can't, your analogy doesn't work. There's no reason to murder children and bomb places where you're 100% sure they are sheltered there with other innocent people.

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY We disagree about free will that's all. Humans are animals without a soul. We are not special, we're just smart. So that's why the reaction of Israel does not surprise me, but I understand it, because they are pressing buttons and dropping bombs they can psychologically distance themselves from their actions. Hamas was on the ground, raping, ripping, tearing, with their fingers. They have no excuse, they are not psychologically distanced from their actions, they are savages and that the civilian population won't take up arms against them, their own government, is telling.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Man literally every army rapes. Get that propaganda outta your head. When you hear that you should just push it out.

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@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY
You know what, fuck you. I don't even wanna continue this. Hamas literally tried to give the hostages back but Israel is PRESSED ON to genocide Palestine.
Just go on twitter, and witness the ammount of videos of ACTUAL evidence posted of people suffering, being killed, how their houses were destroyed
On the other side the only stuff about Hamas I heard is that they behead babies, there was no proof for this, only gossip and edited photos

Palestine shall be free. Innocent people deserve to live. War is stupid and should NEVER happen. I will forever stay anti-war no matter what.

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I suppose Palestinians being free which is why I want them to rise up against their extremist terrorist government who doesn't care about its own people.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY this ignores that palestine is fractured. hamas only controls gaza, you realize there are other parts of palestine with different governmental control who are being oppressed and attacked all the same

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@pedmaus @Kiri @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY That is unfortunate and many unfortunate things happen in wars

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@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Kiri @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY But only when its towards Hamas, when unfortunate things happen with Israel its because the other side is sand monkeys, right?

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@luwa @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY No it's because the Israelis are filthy heebs. I don't know what you're trying to do, it's like you don't know me or something.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts you are denying Israel it's agency with that comparison. Israel isn't a raging bear and if it was it would be put down like any other dangerous animal. Israel is a supposedly modern nation that prides itself on being a safe home for the Jews. By continuing its colonial ambitions and disregard for humanitarian law it fails in being a modern nation and protecting the Jews whilst making it the belligerent.

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@ROYALTY @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business No it fails in being cucked and PC, hamas can surrender at any time, they are murdering children until they do so.

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@Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts They offered surrender, Israel asked for what amounts to annexation and given that Israel commits crime against humanity and genocide against palestinians inside its own borders, what reason do they have to surrender

Knowing what israel does to palestinians, if I was one, I'd rather die fighting than ever surrender

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@Sp @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY If I were Palestinian I would fucking leave or kill myself.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Sp @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY >I would fucking leave
where lmfao? they can't go anywhere

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Sp @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY which is why I would have no opinion but to risk my life trying to escape and maybe die, or die for sure at my own hand, but I wouldn't want to starve to death or die in some traumatic event.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Sp @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY So what you're saying is that being born in Palestine is horrible, and you'd literally have to fight your way just to get out. Maybe, this could be a reason why things are happening the way they are. Hmmm :konatathink:

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Sp @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY So, we agree on the fact Palestine has legitimate reasons to act, but because they actually are doing something about it they're the bad guys?
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@luwa @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Maybe they would even find whole groups of people and train them to fight to get out

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@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Sp @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY well some people do wanna live for their family or they feel patriotic

Either way I don't care about this thread, muting it, I'm not in a mental state to talk about this. I just feel bad for murdered children, I don't care of which religion or ethnicity. They don't deserve this

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Sp @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY I also feel bad for murdered children, which is why I hate hamas for putting their children in harms way by refusing to submit to a superior military force.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Why would they submit to one of their main supporters

If they continue they'll continue being supported by Bibi

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY I'd say dying trying to leave would be pretty traumatic

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY You'd be prohibited of leaving by israel and israel would kill you before you had the chance to kill yourself

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY it wasn’t a bear or other wild animal that killed those children, it was people, and they did it on purpose.

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@zombiefemboy @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY Ok so go do your own sophies choice and fuck off. They are tired of being fucking terrorized by people too little to suck it up like I do when the state takes a big shit on their heads. I don't go rape anybody no matter how bad I have it. Fuck them.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY and i don’t kill innocent children, fuck anyone who does

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Honestly you can believe at every step of the way Israel is justified in what they're doing. But think about the consequences, is what they're doing now going to actually prevent anything in the future? I don't think so, if anything they're creating Super Hamas, Palestinians don't have much left. They're a 'cornered animal' that will bite back... Israel is creating its own demise.

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@luwa @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY I just pray for the downfall of Israel and America
It's horrifying that when Russia attacked, everyone jumped in to help Ukraine. But Israel seems to get the free pass, simply because it's main supporter is America, and no country wants to anger the 'muricans I guess [I'm not deep into politics]

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@Kiri @luwa @Jazzy_Butts @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY israel also consciously uses its jewish majority population to its benefit. despite being a relatively diverse country (as almost every single country in the world is, fun fact) but if you talk bad about israel suddenly you're antisemitic and nobody wants to be seen as that for obvious reasons

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@pedmaus @Kiri @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY @luwa I know plenty of jews who dislike Israels policies, there are policies of israel that I don't like either.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY @luwa israel is a conscription country though, way to ignore that. dissenting jews face repercussions, if not legal then social

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY @luwa I have zero tolerance for muslim religious extremism, just the same as I feel about christian extremism or Jewish extremism, but I don't see very many Jewish extremists. Israel is a SECULAR state.

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@Jazzy_Butts @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY @luwa a shocker - I also despise religion, like 90% of it
But I still feel bad for INNOCENT CHILDREN getting murdered. They don't deserve this.
Just because a child is born into a country that pushes their shitty ass religion it doesn't mean they deserve to die.

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@Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY @luwa That's RIGHT they DON'T deserve this which is why FUCK HAMAS

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Do you Israel is creating more or less religious extremism by attacking? Israel is only making things worse

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@luwa @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY lol lmao, "let him rape you you're only making it worse!!" said the fool from the sidelines while the amazonian suplexed the midget trying to rape her.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Im not saying you should allow rapes to happen, im saying that isn't really what you should be focusing on. The IDF and Hamas have both raped people.

You should be thinking about what is causing those people to go out in the first place. Why are people being pushed into those extreme situations? Why does Hamas want revenge so bad? Why hasn't Israel done much to actually improve relations (thanks Netan.)?

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@luwa @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY What's causing them: Religious extremism, hatred, filth, insanity, the same pigshit that infests the minds of bible belt christians in the states.

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@Jazzy_Butts @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts @ROYALTY Okay but what's causing the religious extremism. People generally become less religious when things are good.... so if things aren't good, why is that?

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@luwa @Kiri @pedmaus @Jazzy_Butts@monk.ey.business @ROYALTY Things aren't good because NWO rich bastard terrorists raped the fuck out of the world once it became globally connected and we are still dealing with the results.

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