@Telvannichad @LukeAlmighty @matrix

@IAMAL_PHARIUS @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad

diversity killed Rome

@amerika @IAMAL_PHARIUS @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad

not really
their economic model no longer worked

@flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

I disagree. The diversity crisis came first, then the political crisis, then the overextentsion and forever wars, and THEN the refinancialization.

@amerika @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

if this is long-winded argument in favor of racism (yawn), we would have to see a lot more proof, timelines, etc...

@flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @amerika @IAMAL_PHARIUS germanic invasions tend to take a lot out of you, also wars with Parthia.

@flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

Big assumption. Makes sense to look at likely candidates that are consistent across the course of empire.

Decay takes a long time.

@amerika @flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad

@amerika @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

yes, asking for specific proof of another bullshit racist argument is an "assumption", isn't it?

also makes sense to draw a direct causal line between the events you cite

@flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

What does "racist" mean in this context?

Saying "diversity does not work" is not "racism."

It's just noting biology and the resulting population dynamics.

I take it egalitarianism is your counter-argument?

Compare to Athens.

@amerika @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

"Saying "diversity does not work" is not "racism.""

give me a fucking break

this discussion started with another yahoo trying to say Rome fell because of diversity. Now you try to throw a bunch irrelevant questions around.

try this at your local bar not here

@flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

"give me a fucking break"

Not an argument.

"Rome fell because of diversity."

Because this is obvious.

"try this at your local bar not here"

I accept your concession.

@amerika @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

'"Rome fell because of diversity."

Because this is obvious.'

so that's how you never have to prove your nonsense. and that's why they stole the country right out from under your feet

@flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @Telvannichad @IAMAL_PHARIUS

We're having a discussion. "Proof" is going to involve extensive analysis, which means ample wiggle room, so you get academia.

Look at the most obvious and consistent trouble Rome faced.

Then look at how our empire is crumbling as well.

@flabbonix @LukeAlmighty @matrix @amerika @IAMAL_PHARIUS The growing demographic change of germanics in the roman empire led to greater demands for citizenship and political power since most germanics worked as mercenary auxiliaries for the legions but were not formal soldiers that qualified for citizenship after service. Greater influx of foreign people led to social and economic strife as cultures,religion and attitudes clashed. This problem with the germanics grew so bad that by the time of Aurelian in the crisis of the 3rd century the romano-gallician Tertricus rallied the gauls into a splinter secessionist kingdom of a gallic empire and iberia that Aurelian had to reconquer.

Romans were racist against carthaginians but the carthaginians also sacrificed children to Baal so *shrug*

@Telvannichad @matrix @amerika @IAMAL_PHARIUS @flabbonix
Why did I immediately wander, if common leftie would say:
Cartagians were sacrificing childs to Baal, but romans were racist to Carthagians so *shrug*

@LukeAlmighty @Telvannichad @matrix @IAMAL_PHARIUS @flabbonix

Modern Lefties would say that we too should sacrifice children to Baal in order to "fight inequality."

There's an adrenochrome gap!

@Telvannichad @LukeAlmighty @matrix @IAMAL_PHARIUS @flabbonix

The point that most miss about the anti-diversity argument is that it is against diversity itself.

This is why when people start talking about "racism," you know they do not understand it.

Even Germanic diversity, not to mention Iberian, north African, Semitic, Etruscan, etc., will splinter culture, destroy social trust, and let corruption and power struggles in.

@amerika @LukeAlmighty @matrix @IAMAL_PHARIUS @flabbonix The less said of the Jews and their 4 different very bloody revolts the better lol

@Telvannichad @amerika @LukeAlmighty @matrix @flabbonix youtube.com/watch?v=3kQRKhvxh34

@Telvannichad @LukeAlmighty @matrix @IAMAL_PHARIUS @flabbonix

I do not envy the empires. Any time you ride herd over a bunch of different groups, they are all going to try to take over since you have bruised their egos.

The Jewish revolts were both strikingly angry and pointless. It was clear that victory was out of reach, but a guerrilla war often exhausts the occupier...

@Telvannichad @LukeAlmighty @matrix @IAMAL_PHARIUS @flabbonix

What was it Giap said? "You will kill ten of us, but we will kill one of you, and you will tire first."

May have been Ho instead of Giap.

@Telvannichad @LukeAlmighty @matrix >He bought?

@deesenaughts @Telvannichad @LukeAlmighty @matrix The thousand Habsburg stare