@dave
Yes.
I believe, that average looking guys are not choosing to stay alone, but are simply skipped by the dating market.

Have you ever heard the qote?
> I would love to date a guy just like you.
That qote is a genetical death sentence.

@dave
To say to a 30yo virgin to stop watching porn is the same kind of intelligent advice as saying to homeless guy to buy a house.

@dave
Do you not think the same?

Nope, I think believing that the dating market is hopeless for you is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe dating apps are, but that's not the only way to meet someone.

@dave Ok man, i am listening to your awesome guide

Trust me, there is nothing I wish more to be wrong about.

Have you considered volunteering at a pet shelter? Meals on Wheels, horse rescue, or some other community charity that can demonstrate you are a HVM, with enough resources and leisure time to devote to helping others? Wear a cowboy hat, pull your pants up, and do not put your cap on backwards. Don't forget to ask for help from the girl you like, show her you're not afraid to appear ignorant, and are willing to learn, change, to take advice from a woman who knows more than you (at least temporarily). You may have to go through several volunteer opportunities when your ignorance wears off. You can't fake it.

@polarisera @LukeAlmighty @dave

Great advice!

How to become a better human? By helping others.

@useless_idiot @polarisera @dave
Sounds like a plan with actual steps...
I'll consider it.

@polarisera @LukeAlmighty @dave

Pet shelter is a good one. I should try that.

@dave
In short, there is NOTHING easier for a young woman to do, then to find a good husband.

As long as she can follow the simple rules, that most modern women find laughable.

Doge, you can turn this same statement around and it's nearly as true for men, the only added difficulty is learning how to make the first move.

1. Get in shape, don't get sucked into vices that keep you holed up by yourself
2. Study hard and get a good job
3. Learn basic flirting

You now have all the tools you need to be attractive to a decent woman. Most men can do this.

@dave
I knew your analysis would be low level, but bloody hell...

I'm sorry you feel this way bro

> just bbe urself

@CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @dave

This is literally not being yourself. This is you rejecting all the things, that have made you yourself, that made the dating market seem so hopeless for you in the first place.

You're a faggot that doesnt know shit about shit and its apparent you havent touched grass anytime within the last 10 years and are a social and relational dinosaur. Clown world of today doesnt work like that anymore.

>jjust workout and bbe nice and respect woman god

Yes. This is literally exactly how it works. Every time I've gotten laid, it was by doing some form of this. I was in decent shape, I tried to be polite, tried to be flirty (never was very good, but I tried), and it worked out.

> Yes. This is literally exactly how it works.
No, it isn't.
> Every time I've gotten laid
This didn't happen.
> it worked out.
It didn't.

Dog, now you just sound like a poastie. In the long run you'll be happier if you learn to stop denying reality.

קיינער פאלט נישט פאר דיינע גאזליכטיגע טריקס, אלי.

@dave @CumskinFoidPuncher69420
Dog, now you just sound like a glassinator. In the long run you'll be happier if you learn to stop denying reality.

The difference is that I've actually flirted with girls and had sex while doing some amount of the (get fit, get good job) stuff. As a guy with an average face and a touch of the 'tism, I know from experience that most guys can get a girl if they do the above.

@dave @LukeAlmighty @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 Problem with this plan, from my observation, is that once you've "gotten a good job" all girls who don't show red flags are taken. Most find their partners during school or university years.

@Jens_Rasmussen @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @LukeAlmighty @dave

Okay, so assume that *hypothetically* (actually) I am in such a situation. How does one overcome it?

@FUCKINGWHOCARESDUDE @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @LukeAlmighty @dave You cope with anime, video games and hentai.

Shit, dude, I don't know. If you find out, please share the answer with me.

Polarisera gave some good - and more readily actionable - advice earlier in this thread.

I doubt it.

@dave @FUCKINGWHOCARESDUDE @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @LukeAlmighty The advice was "genuinely do volunteer work".
If I genuinely wanted to do volunteer work I'd be doing it already.

You're fake news.

@CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @LukeAlmighty

Nope, it’s true. But I have to add that I honestly regret the sexual encounters I had before marrying.

I think girls are as desperately looking for good spouses as men. But neither knows how to be a good spouse.

Good advice from @dave and also from @polarisera . It will probably work for girls as well.

But accepting that my future is in my hands means that I have to suck it up and start doing some self-improvement, so instead I'm just going to leave a sarcastic remark and go back to browsing fedi.

@dave @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @polarisera @useless_idiot
Did I hear "just pull yourself by your bootstraps"?

What if you actually felt good about yourself for volunteering. Your self worth was no longer based on internet clout and linear comparisons to other loser males? And that very internal self-regard was detectable by a more sensitive member of the opposite sex, not really interested in that dumbassery of boyish rep. It's not out of the question, that after a few months of volunteering, some chick that had been ignoring your gamer-wanker vibe, suddenly noticed something very different about you, but couldn't quite figure it out, and just had to stop and ask you.

Girl: "You just seem like such a different person now." "I can't believe I used to think that about you." "Oh really, that is so cool."

You: "Yeah, I feel different, too. You know I really found myself, I feel comfortable being me now. I no longer think taking estrogen and feeling up my own tits is cool. I don't think skirts should go spinny, in fact I'm not even wearing them anymore. I think I'm ready to take life seriously as the man god made me. You know, I'm not really religious, but I've become quite spiritual, I see nature differently now. Nature is not there to be conquered or fought with drugs. It's part of us."

Girl: "Do you want kids?"

@polarisera @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @LukeAlmighty @dave

Also very funny!

ok spinster

@polarisera @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @dave @useless_idiot
Fucking fairytale.
My life and job couldn't possibly be better. And my self esteem is great.
It means nothing in this dating market.

Having bothered with all that in the past, I found the experience of just paying like $120 to pound a Japanese prostitute that was probably a decent bit nicer looking than my best self could land for a short while was more gratifying and left me less "empty" than common cultural portrayals of using prostitutes had me expecting. Really made me reevaluate the cost:benefit of engaging in typical current era relationships.

@dave @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @LukeAlmighty

What specifically did you do that is considered flirting?

Idk dog a significant portion of my lays have come directly primarily from just playing WoW (at the time) tbh

You do actually need to mingle with women for this to work, lol. But the incel belief system is (for a decent number of them at least) self-defeating and false.

>You do actually need to mingle with women for this to work
You do this first and get back to me.

@CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @Prude @LukeAlmighty @dave

I did it. It works.

Also talking (without flirting) to strangers is a good way to practice being comfortable in new encounters.

The “be yourself” thing would be better replaced by “don’t PRETEND to be better than you are.”

> The “be yourself” thing would be better replaced by “don’t PRETEND to be better than you are.”

Hear, hear

@dave @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @Prude @LukeAlmighty @useless_idiot

Alas the dunning kruger effect prevents many people from failing at doing that.

@dave @CumskinFoidPuncher69420 @LukeAlmighty Listen, you bitch, it's hopeless. No one who's a sub-8 male will ever settle down again, just give up and go your own way but without getting laid, like me. I'm mentally healthy.

@dave @LukeAlmighty >just don't be autistic
I don't think you know who you're dealing with

In terms of actual autism (vs. just being undersocialized) I'm probably at least as autistic as most of you. Been professionally diagnosed and all that.

@dave @nukie
I had bees diagnosed as a kid.
I went through it all. Some brain scan, drugs, being told, that I will be lucky if I finish special school etc.

Ok, well you win then lol. I'm used to the self-diagnosed people.

@dave @nukie
Yeah, I get it. There is a lot of them.
And I still don't think autism is a curse. It's the society that's ill.