Welcome back to: Destiny is retarded.
On today's episode, we have "Genocide is ok when we do it"
@LukeAlmighty I think you’re misinterpreting what he’s saying. Jews were actively being exterminated in Germany, and killing the people trying to kill you is self-defense. Notice that he says it was OK for jews to kill nazis, not Germans.
@dave
Oh, Hi Dave.
There are several ways of looking at it.
1) The old fassion war stance.
Meaning, that every war is amoral.
That obviously ain't his point.
Or, we can take the defense point.
Well, he didn't talk about defense there, did he? He said genocide. That means mass murdering, and if jews are genociding you under the flag of defense, that means you can defend against their "defense" justyfying the supposed original aggression.
Do you see the problem now?
@dave
But he didn't say it either way.
He said: I see one genocide as justified, but the 2nd one as immoral.
I see why you hate this point though :D
@LukeAlmighty Do you believe that it’s wrong to kill people that are trying to kill you?
@LukeAlmighty Not at all. I believe in an affirmative right to self-defense.
@dave
That's a new one from you, but I'll take it.
@LukeAlmighty Dude what are you talking about? I was defending Rittenhouse’s actions since like 3 days after the shooting happened. I’ve always believed that you should be able to defend yourself, with deadly force if necessary.
@dave
Ok.
Either way, My point was, that when you have a high tesion between 2 groups, and both of them believe, that genociding the other is justified, you cannot just go: But this genocide was defensive.
Because that is a dumb excuse, that will be always used. "They wanted to do it, so I did it first as defense" is an excuse, not a justification.
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@dave @LukeAlmighty
That's justification to go to war, to stop the process of genocide against Jews and other minorities. But that's not justification to genocide the German population, or even just the Nazi identifying population.
Unless literally EVERY nazi was pointing a gun at your head at the same time, you can't argue self-defense if you kill all of them.
Crime can be stopped without killing people, and today more than ever, society is against capital punishment. And considering the American left especially has a track record of arguing against the death penalty, seeing Destiny even come close to defending this position is mind blowing to me.
The Germans were denied a merchant fleet and food after 1918 until they signed Versailles. This deliberate act starved hundreds of thousands.
There was no genocide of Jews prior to a genocide of Germans (or after). The Germans fought liberal Jews in the west and Bolshevik Jews in the east to prevent thier own people from being strangled between the two.
Once war is declare between two people's the resultant killing is not a genocide. It's war
Assuming you believe this to be true in a general sense, do you also think that you're supposed to let a gunman shoot you, before you can accuse him of threatening you?
@Jens_Rasmussen @dave
War is dirty. Death is inevitable.
Just don't act like a moralizing asshole about it. That is the point.
@LukeAlmighty But…the jews were actively being killed. It’s not a hypothetical “the nazis could try to kill me”, they were actually being rounded up and killed.