@moffintosh
Why so surprised?
This is literally the entire point of an employment. Did you even read the employment agreement before you signed it? If yes, what part of this was supposed to be a new information?

@LukeAlmighty Lolberts tend to dispute stuff as "wage-slavery"

@moffintosh
As long as you can help your employer more money then you cost, he can "rent" you.

Come on man. That is primary school economics, and something your dad should have talked with you about before you choose what job you want to do for living.

@moffintosh
So, of course it's not slavery. It's a trade. A concept you don't believe in, but completely fine for a libertarian.

@LukeAlmighty You can say no to a trade, but a proletarian cannot not work. No work, no wage, no access to commodified goods, no house food, water and more

@moffintosh
Of course they can say no. As well as literally anyone can say no to them. (in an ideal capitalism that is...)

@LukeAlmighty

ideal capitalism

At which point I might as well wait for raining unicorns🤣

@LukeAlmighty Plus, no, tgat's still incorrect. If you have no capital to invest, then you are still forced to work for a wage even in an ideal scenario

@moffintosh
No. You don't have to agree to anything.
And others don't have to agree to help you. That is the entire point.

@LukeAlmighty

You don't have to agree to anything.

Oh, so does a wage equivalent magically appear in your hands then? How do I pay rent? How do I buy food? What about fuel?

@moffintosh
Well, noone has to give it to you.

That's the magic

@LukeAlmighty
And what happens when huge masses of desperate people are told "well, nobody has to give it to you?"

@moffintosh
In that case, some people can usually find an agreement.

You know... Some sort of a deal, where one side gets food, housing and extra money, while the other person gets a bit of a benefit too.

It's cooperation at It's best.
Or, they don't cooperate, no food is grown, no houses build, and everyone dies.

As it should be

@moffintosh
You're asking as if you never heard of it, yet you act weird when I explain the simplicity of the capitalism.

@LukeAlmighty Because you completely sleep over the social element. You seem to think that things being as they are means they're as they should for the simple reason that they are

@moffintosh
Yeah, because I still don't believe, that dictate by gun is a better alternative.

And I seriously hate people leeching off my hard work, because they believe to have right to my fucking life.

@LukeAlmighty

that dictate by gun is a better alternative.

Dude, the guns are already out, and have been for a long time. Just look at how modern private property was enforced with the enclosures and the millions of people shot all over the world. Or even at the state sponsored terrorism in italy to keep out the communist party from the goverment

And I seriously hate people leeching off my hard work, because they believe to have right to my fucking life.

So your in your ideal world you rent your labour power and get paid a fraction of what you produce? Very curious🤔

@moffintosh
> So your in your ideal world you rent your labour power and get paid a fraction of what you produce? Very curious🤔

Yes. If you don't understand the difference between:
A) a boss paying me for my work, and earning something himself.....
B) a gypsie single mom getting my money because a cop will kill me otherwise.

than, I seriously don't understand what world do you live in.

@LukeAlmighty

A) a boss paying me for my work

*Paying you for less than it's worth

and earning something himself...

If they do. Company owners these days sre shareholders who have about 0 skin in the game, who's "passive income" is what you aren't paid

B) a gypsie single mom getting my money because a cop will kill me otherwise.

She's in the list to be sent to work imo. In a planned economy, the incetives are different from a market one, maximizing employment to reduce the avarage work day.
Free community kindergardens are also a tipical policy of any socialist country