@corfiot @LukeAlmighty @SpurgAnon sort of. rather than starting by distinguishing "types" of marriages I'm starting from the other end. observing that people living together inevitably results in very similar social ills regardless of the specifics of those people. domestic violence still happens. financial dependence sill happens. betrayal of trust still happens. hospital visits and power of attorney and etc all still happen
of course there's a religious concept of marriage. but in terms of a secular government that doesn't get involved in religious matters, the various social ills exist and I see marriage of the bureaucratic sort as existing to address them
as an aside I also see religious marriage as appearing to have the same general purpose. but that's a separate topic. the government has no business being involved in religious traditions imo
obviously anything specific to the presence of children won't inherently apply here without further context. and regarding children, society might well want to incentivize certain things. but I see this as "in addition to" all the other stuff
of course there's a religious concept of marriage. but in terms of a secular government that doesn't get involved in religious matters, the various social ills exist and I see marriage of the bureaucratic sort as existing to address them
as an aside I also see religious marriage as appearing to have the same general purpose. but that's a separate topic. the government has no business being involved in religious traditions imo
obviously anything specific to the presence of children won't inherently apply here without further context. and regarding children, society might well want to incentivize certain things. but I see this as "in addition to" all the other stuff
@roboneko @Corfiot @SpurgAnon
Why do you keep bringing religious marriage into discussion about people living together?
And why do you think people living together, and people making the ultimate commitment is comparable in any way?
@LukeAlmighty @corfiot @SpurgAnon
> Why do you keep bringing religious marriage into discussion about people living together?
I am referencing it to the extent that I feel it is relevant context but I don't think anything I've said depends on it
if you have an objection to something I've said perhaps address that head on instead of seeking procedural issues with the conversation (trying to label religious marriage as somehow off limits or dogmatically irrelevant)
> And why do you think people living together, and people making the ultimate commitment is comparable in any way?
here you go putting words in my mouth again. I don' think I specifically made that comparison. I pointed out various social ills that commonly arise when people live together. I pointed out that people frequently backstab after making a commitment. society presumably has an interest in not getting stuck with the bill from such things
you are the one apparently trying to steer the conversation towards these additional distinctions that don't seem to have anything to do with the points that I've made
> Why do you keep bringing religious marriage into discussion about people living together?
I am referencing it to the extent that I feel it is relevant context but I don't think anything I've said depends on it
if you have an objection to something I've said perhaps address that head on instead of seeking procedural issues with the conversation (trying to label religious marriage as somehow off limits or dogmatically irrelevant)
> And why do you think people living together, and people making the ultimate commitment is comparable in any way?
here you go putting words in my mouth again. I don' think I specifically made that comparison. I pointed out various social ills that commonly arise when people live together. I pointed out that people frequently backstab after making a commitment. society presumably has an interest in not getting stuck with the bill from such things
you are the one apparently trying to steer the conversation towards these additional distinctions that don't seem to have anything to do with the points that I've made
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@roboneko @Corfiot @SpurgAnon
Yes, I don't care about religious marriage for two reasons.
1) I am an atheist
2) it is nothing but a strawman that you can use to dismiss it immediately by dismissing the Bible.
So, if your argument against spreading marriage to everyone who happens to live together depends on a strawman, I will attack the strawman before I give you a chance to finish building it.
@roboneko @Corfiot @SpurgAnon
And I am not putting words to your mouth.
You said, I need to prove, why gay people don't suffer the same problems marriaged people do. And then, you said, that the same problems apply to cohabitation too.
So, what exactly is the scale you want to see marriage be applied to? Especially, since consent is not a requirement anymore thanks to the common law.