eugenicists (& co) using "darwinism" as an excuse completely ignore what evolution *actually is*

actual evolution isn't a moral statement, it's not what "should be", it's a description of what *is*, it's just what happens in nature

eugenicists view evolution from a prescriptive lens, and that's just not how any of it works, just because lifeforms adapt to external stimuli over generations doesn't mean we have the right to choose what traits are "better"

@nep
I am sorry, but I still disagree.
Just, because natural adaptations to environment do happen, doesn't mean we should just give up. In fact, I would argue the oposite. We owe it to our kids to make sure they do not get bad genes.

And modern medicine makes this much worse. Since, we can support much more sick people, this is literally unsustainable process, because every sick person who does manage to reproduce thanks to insane drugs will have even sicker kids who will need even more drugs to survive.

@LukeAlmighty that doesn't address anything i said in my post

before someone can even begin to think about whether to not pass "bad genes", there needs to be criteria to determine what actually makes a gene "bad", and it is not possible to create an objective definition of it (meaning each person making that decision would just base it on their own biases)

@nep
And I don't see what's bad about that.
I even hear women say, that they don't want kids, because they don't want to pass their genes.

Why there "not being an objective and scientific standart" is a valid argument for you? There is no such standart to set, what do I want to eat today. But I still don't feel guilty in choosing burger over pizza.

@LukeAlmighty the difference is what food you eat affects *you*, while reproduction also affects your offspring

i don't care about what people do to *themselves*, but when it comes to affecting other people, there needs to be an objective reason to do it

@nep
There is no objective measure of when you should offer healthcare to people.

Is there a treatment, that is too expensive for a single person? How do you set that limit?

@LukeAlmighty

>There is no objective measure of when you should offer healthcare to people

there is, you always should, then every person can choose to accept it or not (and at that point it stops being about affecting others, so it can be subjective)

@nep
Congratulations, you will literallydestroy the society to give Soros another week on his 33rd heart transplant.