@veff @LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder Sadly there is no getting the genie back into the bottle.

@veff @LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder maybe you just miss being young. I had friends, but looking back, none of those relationships were as deep as some of the people I have as friends now, online. They didn’t last, that’s one proof of it.

The relationships he is reminiscing were not destroyed by phones but by atomizing society. See your high school friends stayed with you because there were jobs avaliable in your town be it factory or a provider for the factory. Now you have to move to be employed and you don't know your neighbors.

@Dudebro @Griffith @LukeAlmighty @veff @KuteboiCoder my friend is a mailman he's just to bsuy to acutally do aynthing, but he has like 8 kids

@Dudebro @Griffith @LukeAlmighty @KuteboiCoder Yeah but now we've got a chicken-or-egg problem, and one I've constantly been back and forth on. Was massive smartphone adoption a symptom of an increasingly atomized society, or was society atomized in large part due to the wide adoption of smartphones?
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It was atomized due to natfta shipping factories overseas before the cellphone was a thing normal people owned

@veff @Griffith @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
Smartphones did their part. Definitelly. But it was also already inevitable thanks to the multipla-school to work pipeline.

In short, you are prety much FORCED to move your living location 3 times during your socially bonding years. I seriously believe, that this is 100% malicious, but when you leave university by the age of 25, you have no childhood friends, no kid next door girlfriend, no connections in the new place of work, and no system in place to form a new friend group.

A rolling stone gathers no moss.

@LukeAlmighty @veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder it’s absolutely an uprooting mechanism. The internet helps cope with that.

@Dudebro @Griffith @LukeAlmighty @KuteboiCoder I'll also mention- although it will probably net me massive negative social credit- that a lot of "society" was founded on useful myths that kept us together. I had a relatively happy upbringing in my super-orthodox mormon family because we were an insular community which had shared values. When the Internet picked up popularity, it became obvious that the entire religion was founded on lies and deception, and that shattered all sense of community. I posit that the same thing happened to Christianity writ large and it wouldn't be nearly so destructive without the help of instant information propagation via the Internet.

@veff @LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder Really putting to test “if the truth will kill it let it die.”

@Griffith @LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder I only wish I hadn't been born in the interregnum.

@veff @LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder Our lives are gonna be hard ones. Have to get through for future generations.

@veff@poa.st @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital @Griffith@5dollah.click @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club '

I'm somewhat of a problem child, because I came of age during the Obama recession and basically had my 20s stolen from me, with the macroeconomic crisis on top of my own shit.

My mother (a single mom to remarried when I was a teenager) is a Boomer, and was the problem child for her family her whole goddamn life. I've ranted at length about that, but she really mastered the art of the gaslight to prevent herself from getting thrown in the loonie bin.

It's not illegal to be poor, not illegal to discipline my child, not illegal to raise my voice from time to time, etc.

Her mother, my grandmother, was an oak tree. She was quiet, she was strong, and at any time in my childhood when I had a roof over my head it was because we were living with her or she was paying our bills. She was obsessed with me, with us, as a guardian angel, but she also had talents and hobbies and interests in her own life.

@veff@poa.st @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital @Griffith@5dollah.click @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club

My family's downward trajectory had its own unique twists, but it coincided with the same time scale as pretty much everybody else's.

And yes, I think, phone bad has nothing to do with it. It's the Boomers.

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
Each day, I celebrate the death of the world you grieve over. I felt the change only 4 years ago, but the healing process is real, and I can see myself slowly getting to a state I could call happyness for the first time in my life.

Fuck the old world. May it rest in piss

@LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder I suspect you're probably a social cretin or have major aspergers if you genuinely think moving all human interaction online was a good thing. You can celebrate the death of "the old world" for your lifetime, but the new world has brought about such a social upheaval that nobody is having kids. In 100 years either some form of equilibrium will be developed, or else a regression back to the old world.

Nobody is having kids due to women's rights and land ownership. Same thing happened in Rome. If you look at the map of women's rights and birthdates it's almost a 1:1

@Dudebro @LukeAlmighty @KuteboiCoder Not disagreeing with that. Who are the predominant users of social media?

@Dudebro @LukeAlmighty @KuteboiCoder If the Internet went down tomorrow, who would be most affected? Women and losers. If you fear the Internet going down you're one of the two.

@veff@poa.st @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club

Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are faggots and autists, not women and losers.

@KuteboiCoder @Dudebro @LukeAlmighty I would consider faggots and autists to be losers.

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
A loser is defined by his lack of success.

And guess what you're complaining about right now?

@LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder If you want to argue dictionary pedantry then you've got me beat.

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
You mistook descriptive and perscriptive meanings of words.

The old world made you a winner, and now, it no longer offers you that benefit.

@LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder The old world was self-sustaining because it followed natural law. The strong begat the strong and the weak withered away. What we are currently experiencing is a freak bubble which inverts that, but cannot sustain itself. I said it before, but we will either have a synthesis (my hope) or a regression. Were I born 100 years earlier or 100 years later, it matters not.

@veff@poa.st @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital

veff the BAPist?

I've read a bit of BAP. And I think that the BAP fantasy is just wish-casting for a global EMP disaster that wouldn't even cause a Bronze Age renewal anyway. The wealthy bunker survivalists will have Motorola radios, DeWalt power tools and Yamaha generators to rebuilt society in their image, and it won't be primitivist at all.

@KuteboiCoder @Dudebro @LukeAlmighty I've never followed BAP in my life. These conclusions came to me as I was dying in a hospital bed.

@KuteboiCoder @Dudebro @LukeAlmighty Also, I don't wish for primitivist society. As I stated, I'd prefer we find a synthesis. It's up to us to find it, because the alternative is significant regression. Not the kind dreamt up in hollywood movies, but one much more mundane and tragic.

@veff@poa.st @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club

Tragic is relative.

Was the leveling of Hiroshima and Nagasaki tragic? What the rise of the Soviet Union tragic? Was the fall of the Soviets tragic?

I really do think that tech will continue to advance, economies will continue to grow, and the global population will eventually reach 30 billion. 30 billion people who won't care less that some of their ancestors thought the telescreen brainzap was a heckin sad.

@veff@poa.st @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital

One of my shitty alts engaged with @amerika@annihilation.social regarding the 20th-century agricultural revolution, and how it made the rise of democratic movements (and the fall of hereditary aristocratic governments) an inevitability.

I don't see that historical collapse reversing itself with any feasible contingencies you can think of.

No kings, no lords, no masters.

@KuteboiCoder @Dudebro @LukeAlmighty @veff

More likely cities, and now that we see how that turned out, well, it's time for monarchism.

@amerika@annihilation.social @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club @veff@poa.st

@KuteboiCoder @Dudebro @LukeAlmighty @veff

I get Yakob and Yeshua confused frequently.

@veff@poa.st @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club

Very well.

Those "loser" faggot autists are wielding oligarchic power and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. The wise faggot Nietzsche referred to this phenomenon as a "transvaluation of values".

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
BTW, you seem to be quite upset with autistic people...

Would you mind telling me why? (with the obvious reason of them actually loving the way the world is falling apart.)

@LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder I was writing a reply but it took too long and deserves it's own thread, so here it is: https://poa.st/objects/62ab7f6d-62be-4d28-80db-0fdbbc7cff63

In short though, autists tend to embrace anti-civilizational tendencies due to having a steeper cliff of improvement to climb. I don't hate autistic people or I wouldn't be here. Also, any actual normie who stumbles across my posts would probably conclude I was autistic, which I hope shows how that's not my problem.

addendum: I guess I would say "I hate autists" in the same way I would say "I hate niggers" or "I hate faggots." If they could be those things without being antithetical to life and order, I would have no problems. It is precisely because they destroy and consume rather than build and inspire that makes me hate.

@veff@poa.st @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital

I'm a bit agnostic as to whether mental illness is actually A Thing or whether it's simply medicalizing defects of character that are a normal part of human existence to varying degrees.

@KuteboiCoder @Dudebro @veff
I believe it's both... I hate to use the old "autism is a spectrum" bullshit, but when it comes to people who literally are too scared to talk? SURE... I don't mind calling that a defect.

But when it comes to 80% of autists, I would guess they are not even defects as much as behaviors, that no longer work in civilized society. Not to mention, that I came to understand, that in the same way, as a ant hives need soldiers, workers and queen, it's just as possible that human societies were designed to have biological specializations that have effects to this day. (the good old ""all IT guys and scientists are autistic"" meme, but unironically)

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
Wow... I expected something, but I didn't expect to be called a civilization destructing nigger for having a logic-obsessed brain

Well, you definitely don't have to apologize for taking long time to reply, but when it comes to the reply itself, go rope yourself.

@LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder Don't worry, if you're using that logic-obsessed brain to actually make something of yourself and your surroundings then it doesn't matter.

Autistic people, more prominently in our modern age, are absolutely a drain on time, energy and resources. I have a level 3 autist in my immediate family, so forget about "civilization" as a lofty concept for a moment and think about it on a local level. It's so incredibly exhausting that it takes extended family to jump in and take the role of tard wrangler so the rest of us can catch a break.

All of the traits associated with autism also describe an incredibly self-centered, short tempered, immature, useless person, and I'm tired of playing pretend and acting like that isn't true.

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
So, aspergers is offensive and destroys the clarity in describing autism, but level 3 is totally clear and human way of describing people.

At least, now you have actually responded to my original question. If you are in a direct care of a level 3 autist, then I get, why you would talk about aspies like me witch such a disdain.

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
My cousin lived for 14 years (if I remember correctly) plugged in on support machines. He never said a word in his life. He never ate a meal, or walked on his legs. And if that wasn't enough, his death was too much for his mother to bear, and she died few months later.

So, obviously, I understand your opinion. Just realize, that when you're talking about autists without that clarification, your audience will include people, who have "problems" with eye contact and a weird voice patterns.

@LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder The distinction should already be established by neuroscientists, but everyone in positions of scientific authority are niggercattle. "Autism" is the word that's generally accepted to describe it, so that's what I'm going to do.

I'm passionate about linguistics and communication so I'm not unaware of these problems, but ultimately words and meaning require work from both parties. "Autism," even at low levels, manifests itself through the complete refusal or perhaps inability to put in the effort on the understanding side, again pointing to the general selfish and short tempered tendencies. I write and rewrite my text to be as precise as possible, yet it still isn't enough. The onus eventually is on the listener to put the pieces together and understand intent, but for a supposedly logic-obsessed people they largely seem incapable of this.

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
> I write and rewrite my text to be as precise as possible, yet it still isn't enough. The onus eventually is on the listener to put the pieces together and understand intent, but for a supposedly logic-obsessed people they largely seem incapable of this.

Well, excuse me for trying to understand why you consider my existence to be a drain on humanity. I would say, that this kind of a topic would be hard for anyone to "put together"

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
And I believe you to be a decently smart person. So, it shouldn't be hard for you to understand, that being hated since my childhood for the most microscopic and pointless differences that do not affect anyone else does make me want the said society to collapse.

I was never given any sympathy from the normie side of the society either. And I seriously didn't need that much.

@LukeAlmighty @veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder You're proving his point by autistic clinging to one thing he said make him repeat his position over and over draining his time/mental status to deal with your shitty personality. You should be a battery for the matrix while the rest of us live real lives, everyone would be happier.

@philmchawk @Dudebro @veff @KuteboiCoder
I guess. Although, it's his choice to repeat himself.

Normies are weird :D

@LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @veff @KuteboiCoder When you have empathy you want people to understand your position because you want to understand theirs. A lot of people struggle to turn that off when dealing with neurodivergent people. It is why you can't have autistic people around neurotypical people, they are a virus. But they are an easy fix you put them in a apartment give them internet and door dash and they will never annoy the others. The problem is letting neurotypical people on the internet like OP is stating.

The same ones who were the predominant users of town gossip. It doesn't matter what they do online if they don't have rights

@Dudebro @LukeAlmighty @KuteboiCoder Well until everyone else is ready to revoke women's rights, I'll be waiting here.

@veff@poa.st @LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club @Dudebro@nicecrew.digital

I think of my grandma, and I think of my mom.

We didn't kill the old world. I was stolen from us.

Not sure stolen is the best description for this case. It seems as though it was partitioned, then sold-off piece-by-piece.

@veff @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
You can call it autism if you want, but all I see is a society of psychopaths.

@veff @LukeAlmighty @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder
That's a general trend, not only with social interaction.
The best times were the 0's, where you could do things on the internet, but there was still the old way around - as an internet autist, it increased your options .
Today many things (banking, ordering things, booking hotels, finding dates,....) are only possible over the internet, while the old ways of access (if they still exist - big IF) are blocked by hordes of retarded Pajeets in call centers.

@quercus @Dudebro @KuteboiCoder @LukeAlmighty A few years back I had a near-total Internet sabbatical and it was incredibly eye-opening. I'm glad I was overseas at the time because infrastructure was still legacy. I bought train tickets at ticket counters, I checked my back balance at ATMs when I took out cash, and social events were still posted at the town hall. Life was simple, but everyone I interacted with was >60y/o.
Now I'm back in the US, it's a lot harder to do things the analog way, but I want to do it. I've planned another personal Internet blackout for November to avoid election talk, but threads like these make me want to expedite that to include the rest of this month.

@veff @Dudebro @quercus @KuteboiCoder
Good... Go live your life.