@alyx and as previously stated by Dr. Fauci until they were pressured into reversing course

@colonelj
You're a moron, you know that, right? Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.
Don't get me wrong, that was the single most idiotic move he made in his entire life, and he should have had his career destroyed for that single lie, I have no love for Fauci.
But seriously, stop being a dumb ass. If masks weren't effective, why in the hell do doctors wear them, not just now with covid, but during things like surgery?

@alyx
>Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.

source?

Doctors/surgeons wear masks when there's a risk of getting bodily fluids (not breath) in their mouths but it's also not to contaminate surgery patients who are supposed to be operated on in sterile environments, but in-hospital surgical wound infections are still common despite these efforts.

@alyx doctors/surgeons also change masks frequently. they do not wear the same one for weeks/months at a time and shove them in their pockets when not in use.

@colonelj
And neither should you. No shit Sherlock. Why do you think some people prefer to put them on as soon as they leave the house, and keep them on even outside. So as not to fiddle with it, take it off and put it on repeatedly, put it in random pockets etc. And yes, you should change them each day at least, and if you can't afford countless masks, have a "sterilization" method that would ensure any covid virus in them dies before you use them again.

@alyx the average person, the general population, is too dumb to do that.

@colonelj
Apparently you're too stupid to do that.

@colonelj
I think you should mute @alyx .

I muted that one since long time ago.

@snow @alyx nah

@colonelj
I have no opinion of this topic yet, but name calling in discussion will not get the proper result.

And I saw her keeping to name calling.

Fedi is free, but your time is limited, cut the fools out can let you have better #userexperience.


@alyx

@snow @alyx people say i should cut you out tho

@colonelj
Who?

Cut me or cut that person, pick it, otherwise that person might cause more problems.

@alyx

@colonelj
>sauce
His own words, dumb ass. Look it up.

I think you mean "not to not contaminate", and you're still a moron, because that's precisely their main function. It stops your breath from directly reaching whatever open wound they're operating on, and preventing their mouth germs from reaching the patient.

>infections are still common
Because there's no such thing as a perfectly sterile environment. But every measure they take helps reduce the risk. Going by your logic, why should doctors even sterilize their tools, infections still happen so clearly sterilization doesn't work.

There are literally side by side comparisons of how far your breath reaches with and without a mask on, even on fucking Youtube. Or just do this, take a lit candle and blow it off. Then lit it again, put a mask on, and try to blow it off by blowing with the same intensity.

@alyx @colonelj https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2MmX2U2V3c&feature=youtu.be

@icedquinn @colonelj
inb4 "but (((they))) FORCED him to change his mind and say those things. Clearly masks don't work because that's what they said initially".

@alyx @colonelj he also was pretty quick to pan HQCC which had already been used in a few hundred successful cases, and equally quick to tout remdesivir which had not even finished clinical trials.

i'm sure it had nothing to do with his financial self-interest in the latter.

@icedquinn @alyx there was indeed a n95 shortage and it is definitely more important healthcare workers receive them first, but I feel it Fauci is lying here in saying that masks suddenly work. they don't. I am not denying that Fauci is a liar, they are, I'm just denying that they lied at the beginning when saying that masks don't work. They never said this.

>Fauci: Right now, people should not be worried. There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And often there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.

>LaPook: And can you get some schmutz sort of staying inside there?

>Fauci: Of course, but when you think mask you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks that's fine, that's fine. I'm not against it if you want to do it that's fine.”

And even there when first saying it Fauci says if you want to wear a mask that's fine.

https://wbckfm.com/if-dr-fauci-lied-once-about-masks-what-stops-him-from-lying-again/

@colonelj @alyx he did say not to wear masks and that it "might reduce a few droplets here and there."

now censored by google https://iceworks.cc/z/ckczv18jo00005iisepgs3fs0.html

@icedquinn @alyx fauci said not to wear masks and changed their mind, true, but they did not say masks do not work.

the lie was about preserving masks (mainly n95) for healthcare workers, not that masks do not work (and, for the general public, they don't)

@colonelj @alyx

While masks may block some droplets, Fauci said, they do not provide the level of protection people think they do. Wearing a mask may also have unintended consequences: People who wear masks tend to touch their face more often to adjust them, which can spread germs from their hands.

@icedquinn @alyx entirely factual

@colonelj @alyx that they actually provide zero protection is incidental

@icedquinn @colonelj
Nothing to see here people, move along, clearly masks don't work, ignore the video showing why you should wear masks...

@alyx @colonelj they mitigate how much you are able to spread droplets to an extent.

they don't protect you from exposure.

if they did, why would it matter if someone doesn't wear theirs

@icedquinn @colonelj
They're not supposed to protect you from others. They were never meant to do that. You'd need at least N95 masks to have some of that type of protection.

Sure it's not the selfish type of protection everyone wants, but that doesn't mean it doesn't protect society as a whole, and it does a good job at it when people stop being dumbasses about it.

@alyx @icedquinn symptomatic people should absolutely wear masks. no one denied this (alternatively, you could also just sneeze into some tissues and save money)

I even mentioned earlier how masks stop bodily fluids:
https://kiwifarms.cc/notice/A45XS1rx6y7Kn1trMW

@colonelj @alyx symptomatic people shouldn't even be going outside tbh.

@icedquinn @alyx if you're truly sick you're going to be changing masks every few sneezes and should just stay home

@colonelj @icedquinn
Asymptomatic people should also wear masks, because you can still transmit. And since there's no way of telling between an asymptomatic person and someone healthy... Do you understand now why they're important?

@alyx @colonelj asymptomatic spread is controvertial

@icedquinn @colonelj
No, it's not. It can be lower, cause you don't cough, but it still happens.

@alyx @icedquinn i hope you will wear masks forever then and not stop when the gov decides the asymptomatic spreading of all diseases magically vanishes

@alyx @icedquinn @colonelj well yeah if you're literally trying to spit. duh. but you can just sneeze into your sleeve. we don't need mommy government to tell us to cover up the other 99.999% of the time when we're not sneezing and coughing

@meowski @icedquinn @colonelj
>just sneeze into your sleeve
Lol, that barely works at retaining the spread of droplets. At worst you should use it as a last resort, emergency use case, not something to rely on as a means to slow an epidemic. And a lot of times you won't even react fast enough to actually catch that first sneeze and cough, and you'll barely raise your hand fast enough to catch the second.

>if you're literally trying to spit
That's not "literally trying to spit". That's what actually happens when you sneeze. You just don't notice it because it happens too fast, your spit is transparent, the droplets are small, and we're not exactly designed to focus our eyes on what comes out of our mouths when sneezing.
There's also plenty of spit droplets that form when you just talk. I wonder how your sleeve method would handle those in an epidemic. Huh... I guess you'd have to hold your hand to your mouth all the time... almost like wearing a mask...

@alyx @icedquinn @colonelj
do you have a functioning immune system? yes or no?
if no, you're not long on this earth. if yes, you don't need to be scared of catching a cold.

knit and woven cloth masks are proven to increase respiratory infections making you more likely to infect others.

covid numbers are fake and gay. this is rerarded. stay scared tho

@colonelj @icedquinn
Why are you even reproducing words that he self-admitted are LIES, as if that proves anything? The guy was literally grasping at straws to try to stop people from buying up all the masks.

@alyx Masks don’t do much. Check the science.

https://swprs.org/covid-masks-review/

If masks weren’t effective, why in the hell do doctors wear them, not just now with covid, but during things like surgery?

I imagine it’s because an open body with exposed internal organs and blood vessels is a far more effective vector for transmission of far worse pathogens then the pissant crap you can expect from respiratory transmission. @colonelj

@PonyPanda @colonelj
>an open body with exposed internal organs and blood vessels is a far more effective vector for transmission

I can't understand how you people keep getting this backwards. Masks aren't there to protect doctors from the exposed guts. It's to protect the exposed guts from the doctor's breath, than can carry plenty of germs, even when they're perfectly healthy.

@alyx
That's exactly what I meant. A doctor operating on a patient naturally has their well-being in mind hence the mask to prevent pathogen spreading from the doctor's respiratory tract to the patient's open blood. I never said anything about the doctor at risk of infection.

Are you stupid?
@colonelj

@PonyPanda @colonelj
Isn't "transmission vector" the place that "transmits" the pathogen? Maybe you should have said "reception" vector.

In any case, nose, mouth, eyes, are plenty good reception vectors for pathogens too.

@alyx
You're trying very hard to split hairs. Sadly... you're failing. "Vector of transmission" doesn't denote which way infection goes numbnuts. And "reception vector" isn't a thing.

You really need to give up.
@colonelj

@PonyPanda @alyx @colonelj if i had a nickel every time i had to explain all they do is reduce transmission from 6ft to 3ft

@icedquinn @PonyPanda @colonelj
Pretty sure it reduces more than that. But even if it were just that, it's still a lot. 6 feet (2 meters) means people can definitely be close enough to be exposed to your direct breath. 3 feet (less than 1 meter) means you'll have to get quite close and personal to ensure transmission.

@alyx @PonyPanda @colonelj it varied on material and type of breathing https://iceworks.cc/z/ckco69h8y00009piswd87ufz9 coughing or plosives pretty much defeat the mask.