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@colonelj
Question: how were the cases evolving in the rest of the country from October onward? What other major events took place that could help explain rises or falls in case numbers? What other safety measure were enforced or lifted during those times?
Point is, there are a lot of variables, and you're not accounting for any of them.
@colonelj
You're a moron, you know that, right? Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.
Don't get me wrong, that was the single most idiotic move he made in his entire life, and he should have had his career destroyed for that single lie, I have no love for Fauci.
But seriously, stop being a dumb ass. If masks weren't effective, why in the hell do doctors wear them, not just now with covid, but during things like surgery?
>Fauci literally admitted they lied to the people because they wanted to prevent people from buying up all the masks and ensure doctors still had access to them.
source?
Doctors/surgeons wear masks when there's a risk of getting bodily fluids (not breath) in their mouths but it's also not to contaminate surgery patients who are supposed to be operated on in sterile environments, but in-hospital surgical wound infections are still common despite these efforts.
@colonelj
>sauce
His own words, dumb ass. Look it up.
I think you mean "not to not contaminate", and you're still a moron, because that's precisely their main function. It stops your breath from directly reaching whatever open wound they're operating on, and preventing their mouth germs from reaching the patient.
>infections are still common
Because there's no such thing as a perfectly sterile environment. But every measure they take helps reduce the risk. Going by your logic, why should doctors even sterilize their tools, infections still happen so clearly sterilization doesn't work.
There are literally side by side comparisons of how far your breath reaches with and without a mask on, even on fucking Youtube. Or just do this, take a lit candle and blow it off. Then lit it again, put a mask on, and try to blow it off by blowing with the same intensity.
>Fauci: Right now, people should not be worried. There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And often there are unintended consequences. People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.
>LaPook: And can you get some schmutz sort of staying inside there?
>Fauci: Of course, but when you think mask you should think of health care providers needing them and people who are ill. The people who when you look at the films of foreign countries and you see 85% of the people wearing masks that's fine, that's fine. I'm not against it if you want to do it that's fine.”
And even there when first saying it Fauci says if you want to wear a mask that's fine.
https://wbckfm.com/if-dr-fauci-lied-once-about-masks-what-stops-him-from-lying-again/
now censored by google https://iceworks.cc/z/ckczv18jo00005iisepgs3fs0.html
the lie was about preserving masks (mainly n95) for healthcare workers, not that masks do not work (and, for the general public, they don't)
@icedquinn @colonelj
Nothing to see here people, move along, clearly masks don't work, ignore the video showing why you should wear masks...
@icedquinn @colonelj
They're not supposed to protect you from others. They were never meant to do that. You'd need at least N95 masks to have some of that type of protection.
Sure it's not the selfish type of protection everyone wants, but that doesn't mean it doesn't protect society as a whole, and it does a good job at it when people stop being dumbasses about it.
as far as preventing transmission, i dunno.
one of the pfizer researchers filed for an injunction in the EU stating they still are not using gold standard tests ("sangar sequencing") to prove cases or to research covid cases.
bulgarian BPA said the PCRs have no scientific backing (there isn't 'sure' way to detect covid, which other tests are calibrated to)
so as far as i'm concerned there is barely any evidence toward how covid does or does not transmit. but i'm not a white coat
@colonelj
@icedquinn @colonelj
Don't know about Merck specifically, knew that one company cancelled their implementation because it wasn't successful. Yeah, it takes a lot of work to make vaccines, and until a working version gets released, there will be countless iterations that don't get good results (or any at all). I'm not surprised that some companies never managed to get a working version and decided to quit. But this has no implication on any other company's vaccine.
As for Africa, didn't a worse mutation develop there? Maybe AstraZenica is less effective on that new strain, and others work better. So they're changing to a different supplier. Again, doesn't mean jack shit for every other developed covid vaccine out there. Not to mention that this doesn't stop AstraZenica from further improving their version, and supplying a more effective vaccine in the future.
@icedquinn @colonelj
>health officials in other developed countries have maintained that vaccinated persons still have to mask and distance.
This happens for several reasons.
1) Immunity doesn't happen right away after taking a vaccine. So far, all covid vaccines require a booster shot, and you need to wait a while even after it for immunity to fully develop.
2) Immunity doesn't always develop. Even the best vaccines out there (not talking just about covid) probably have around 95% success rate. Meaning, you can still be in that 5% that can get the disease and give it to someone else. Considering covid vaccination is still in the low numbers, if you do happen to be in that 5%, and get covid, you have a high likelihood of transmitting it. If on the other hand, 90% of people were vaccinated, if you were in that 5%, even if you got covid, there's a low likelihood that someone around you could receive it from you, since they are statistically more likely to be immune.
3) Being immune doesn't technically mean you can't carry the virus at all. It just means that it doesn't get the chance to hurt you. But if it gets to multiply just a little in your mouth/nose, you can still technically transmit it to someone else. I do suspect that transmission rates should be lower though.
@Chk991 @icedquinn @colonelj
For now, I'm not seeing enough info to be able to make a prediction. Vaccinations are going about as I expected, but that part is still not done yet, so there's still plenty of time for unfavorable mutations to occur that delay any kind of plans.
If everything goes well, then yeah, maybe in a year or two masks shouldn't be needed anymore. But I'm not that optimistic yet.
@icedquinn @colonelj
There are multiple ways of achieving effectiveness bro.
You can contain the contaminant at the source or the destination. You can wear hazmat suits to protect you from radiation from nuclear power plants that don't have safety measures, or you can design a good power plant that doesn't leak radiation.
Or for diseases, you can wear hazmat suits near someone who has the black plague, or you can put the person with the black plague in his own plastic bubble.
It's be stupid to say the power plant safety measures, or that the plastic bubble isn't effective at preventing the spread of black plague.
@icedquinn @colonelj
>But Quinn, giving them antibiotics doesn't protect MEEEEE from getting it.
^This is basically the argument people make about masks, and it pisses me off so fucking bad.
Don't know how you'd go about treating black plague these days, but yeah, you can be protected yourself from something bad, by stopping that bad at the source.
@icedquinn @colonelj
>but they're eerily hateful towards...
That's not something I've particularly noticed... As far as I can tell research does happen. There's caution when it comes to "miracle" cures that are way under-researched, effects aren't well known, so it's not safe to fully deploy them on full scale.
@icedquinn @colonelj
You're not seeing good information sources. And if you get to meet people who had it, you should ask them. There already is a standard treatment where I live. It seems to work well enough to where some people take the treatment at home, and don't need to stay in the hospital. But it's no miracle cure, and it still takes about 2 weeks to go through it. And then who knows how much longer to fully recover.
@icedquinn @colonelj
Is HQCC that thing Trump was recommending? Don't recognize the initials.
With that thing studies were very inconclusive. I remember the fraudulent one, and even without it, it wasn't clear if it actually helped people, or if it was a placebo effect. When Trump started talking about it, he only caused more harm, because it wasn't tested enough to be put in the public spotlight.
His attention to it just made anyone with TDS attack it as a means to attack anything and everything Trump stood for. It wasn't a "hateful towards research" issue, it was a "hateful towards something Trump supports" issue.
We asked a doctor that my mom worked with about the hqcc, ya know since we had the shit, and he said it definitely seems to work, but it has to be used early. There's a window it's very effective at suppressing the symptoms to get you through it, but it's basically worthless after that
if you have a critical mass of compromised cells, there's nothing to fill with zinc that hasn't already been fucked.
a common theme with censored covid treatments is also an anti-inflammatory steroid, which counteracts the post-infection shenanigans in the lungs.
@histoire @icedquinn @colonelj
Just remembered something, wasn't hqcc the one with known side effects on the heart?
In any case, how I understood it, it came down to them not being able to tell if it actually did work for those people, or if they only managed to give them the treatment early enough because those particular individuals had less severe forms, that had slower developing symptoms, so they were more likely to get better, faster, anyway.
there is a small amount of people who have heart incompatibilities, and retinopathy concerns for extended (4+ year, consecutive) use.
i mostly say we are lucky that most of this is probably overinflated, because the quality of science has been rather crap this whole event. an irish journalist found that in ireland, near the end of 2020, their government was still using busted PCRs as the sole determinant of covid cases.
it could have reduced their viral load by half and there is no way we would know because we're not using a testing method that is even capable of detecting it.
@icedquinn @colonelj
200 cases is not that many, and the recovery time wasn't shortened far enough to where the positive effect was clear.
>and fucked around with just using one of those
You do realize that testing a protocol needs to involve testing each individual component on it's own too. If it happens that only 1 component is the one that has effect, you don't want to give a patient anything more than that.
HQCC + Zinc/Ionophore have both been known for months and were suppressed explicitly, not because they're miracle cures, but because the hacks in the news wanted to score points against a political mark.
@dubh @icedquinn @colonelj
The moronic thing is that they're not even close to being the same chemicals.
@dubh @icedquinn @colonelj
My country is going through a similar issue. I haven't followed it closely enough, so don't know the details, but somehow a rumor appeared that a drug used against parasites on animals could prevent/treat covid. The issue is this thing, taken in wrong doses, causes severe neurological problems on animals, and it hasn't been tested at all on humans. So guess what happened as soon as this untested "miracle cure" got into the public spotlight? Everyone rushed to their nearest vet pharmacy to get it. Don't know if anyone died or if people actually managed to get their hands on it. Luckily enough, you couldn't get it without a doctor's note.
there was also a doctor who used budecinine on his patients and had success. his hospital outright said they would not be conducting any studies.
@dubh @icedquinn @colonelj
Yeah, it wasn't a "we hate research" thing, just "we must hate everything relating to Trump". Really idiotic.
I even mentioned earlier how masks stop bodily fluids:
https://kiwifarms.cc/notice/A45XS1rx6y7Kn1trMW
@icedquinn @colonelj
Do you personally know people who had it? I know a few, and the reported symptoms you hear on the news are accurate.
@colonelj @icedquinn
Asymptomatic people should also wear masks, because you can still transmit. And since there's no way of telling between an asymptomatic person and someone healthy... Do you understand now why they're important?
@icedquinn @colonelj
No, it's not. It can be lower, cause you don't cough, but it still happens.
@meowski @icedquinn @colonelj
>just sneeze into your sleeve
Lol, that barely works at retaining the spread of droplets. At worst you should use it as a last resort, emergency use case, not something to rely on as a means to slow an epidemic. And a lot of times you won't even react fast enough to actually catch that first sneeze and cough, and you'll barely raise your hand fast enough to catch the second.
>if you're literally trying to spit
That's not "literally trying to spit". That's what actually happens when you sneeze. You just don't notice it because it happens too fast, your spit is transparent, the droplets are small, and we're not exactly designed to focus our eyes on what comes out of our mouths when sneezing.
There's also plenty of spit droplets that form when you just talk. I wonder how your sleeve method would handle those in an epidemic. Huh... I guess you'd have to hold your hand to your mouth all the time... almost like wearing a mask...
do you have a functioning immune system? yes or no?
if no, you're not long on this earth. if yes, you don't need to be scared of catching a cold.
knit and woven cloth masks are proven to increase respiratory infections making you more likely to infect others.
covid numbers are fake and gay. this is rerarded. stay scared tho
they don't protect you from exposure.
if they did, why would it matter if someone doesn't wear theirs