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It's dumbfounding how even people who seem to have some medical knowledge are HORRIBLE at actually tracking news about Covid19.

And then they'll start spouting their "educated" opinion that the virus couldn't do this or that, while being completely uninformed on everything that has been studied and observed about the virus.

Stop fucking treating this like it's the flu virus. It's not. It's an entirely new virus, that infects through a completely different spike protein, and as such, can cause completely different problems.

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I honestly don't understand people anymore... do you think we're in some stagnant universe where new viruses can't pop up, and everything is "just a flu"? Is HIV just a flu too?!

@alyx

It's not the Andromeda strain. It still follows the behavior of every other SARS Coronavirus. The flu is an apt comparison because they are spread in similar ways and have similar symptoms. HIV isn't the flu, because it's a totally different type of virus. You're comparing dogs and cats. Yeah they're both mammals but they're different genuses..

Why would you listen to the "experts" anyway, they've been consistently wrong, you'd grey better advice from a drunk homeless guy.

@alyx people say it's the flu because neither are dangerous

@alyx it’s not entirely new though. it shares a lot of properties with SARS up to and apparently including people who built immunity to SARS have higher immunity to covid.

@alyx The ridiculous overreach by the government and this push for vaccine passports shows what this virus was really about. It had nothing to do health. It was all about control. Moreover, the virus is not that deadly for most of the population. You are better off getting the virus than the mRNA vaccines, which haven't been used on human beings.

@alyx tell me more about what makes covid19 different from previous coranaviruses
@alyx it's more like the cold than the flu since colds can also be cornaviruses

@colonelj
Sure, but the cold doesn't have the capacity to infect the nervous system. So don't be a moron.

@colonelj
Comparing Covid19 with the cold is like comparing a F22 with the Wright Brothers glider.

@alyx do you feel every strain of influenza have the same spike proteins or know that some weaken the heart?
@alyx So you're telling me the news media isn't harping on this point day and night why? Should they not be repeating without end "while this doesn't kill so many people, it could debilitate you for the rest of your life" and doing there best to hunt down examples for interview? Is that not scarier to people than the very evidently low death rate? It's simply not in the mainstream narrative and that does not add up.

@Tim
Because the mainstream news media treats all of you like a bunch of morons, that can't handle nuance. Meanwhile, even low-grade science outlets like Livescience or ScienceAlert have covered all of these things from the start.

@alyx That sounds like a poorly fit excuse to me. I broke down exactly how they could sell it to even the most dull of people. Hard to see it not working given everything else we've seen them sell.

@Tim
You fail at 2 things.
1) to see just how bad mainstream journalists insist at being at their job.
2) to understand human psychology. A debilitating condition is rarely as scary as death, because it just doesn't carry the same immediacy of the threat.
With "debilitating condition" there's still hope that things will improve in time. With death, there's no hope you'll be resurrected.

And if you really insist on not trusting the science because CNN and Buzzfeed aren't talking about it, then you need to reconsider your life.

@alyx You seem to be having a moment and you lack real judgment. No wonder no one sane believes you.

Journalists do suck at their jobs. But with something like this, it's more than just journalists who decide what they talk about. It's been drilled in to people for decades now that the modern way to get ahead is to be smart, and you don't think "virus make you dumb forever" is a good way to make people worry? It still doesn't add up. I'm not saying you're wrong, you could still be right, but there's a question mark there, and Halon's razor doesn't work when self interests this great are at play.
@alyx i feel like people seem to have collectively forgotten about the sars epidemic, to which it's more similar
@alyx and with that i mean that it's indeed not the flu bc well, neither was sars
@lottev sars epidemic fizzled out without vaccines and global tyranny tho. CDC's patent even explains the majority of cases can't tell SARS from influenza without explicitly diagnosing for it
@lottev i guess you can argue china suppressing release of the info so chinese new year could seed it everywhere was a thing, but even then..

where has influenza gone?

@icedquinn @lottev
>where has influenza gone
If you're really serious about this, I'll have to say GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU COMPLETE DUMBFUCK MORON!

ENTIRE NATIONS HAVE TAKEN MEASURES SPECIFICALLY AIMED TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF AIRBORNE VIRUSES AND YOU WONDER WHERE THE FLU WENT?!

"YES, I DO WONDER WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO THE LESSER INFECTIOUS AIRBORNE VIRUSES AFTER WE TOOK MEASURES TO BLOCK AIRBORNE VIRUSES?"
^THIS IS YOU. THIS IS YOUR DEGREE OF STUPIDITY RIGHT NOW!

@alyx @icedquinn @lottev

Entire nations took measures to stop the spread of aids, but there more gays than ever??? explain this science guy
@alyx @icedquinn most people can also handle influenza just fine, it's a common disease. something like sars is way more invasive
@alyx @icedquinn @lottev The flu vanished here before the mask mandate, before any measures were taken.
Seemingly reporting on COVID-19 caused it to displace the flu.

It's a legitimate concern, and a very suspicious occurrence.
You should not dismiss it out of hand.

Not to mention that you're assuming that masks alone are effective to the point of eliminating over 90% of flue cases around the western world.
That's incredible.
Literally, not credible.
@SystemSock @alyx @icedquinn @lottev People don't pozz each other at mass gatherings anymore. Limit the movement between rural areas and cities (since there is no city to go to anymore, LOL!) and you so little opportunities for the flu, that it only appear in unreliable covid tests.
@maxmustermann @alyx @icedquinn @lottev But COVID still spreads?
Just how much more infectious is it?
Factors of magnitude, if I am to accept your theory.

I'm sorry, that doesn't add up.
And that which is inconsistent can not be the truth.

People violate COVID regulations all the time, several states in the US opened up and see a decline in cases, and still no flu.

Something is wrong with the flu numbers.
I don't know what it is, but I know that it's wrong.

Has COVID displaced the flu, becoming endemic?
Are the numbers fudged?
DO PCR tests even detect what people claim they do (which the inventor disputes).

Some other option?

:shrug_kon:
@SystemSock @alyx @icedquinn @lottev It does for regions who kept the measures I said (isolation of the region and no more super spreaders).

>DO PCR tests even detect what people claim they do

PCR tests detect whatever the hell you want if you interpret the data right. Thi s is why Fauci's view on virology is naive and retarded; You can't put some suspects blood under Microscope and find the virus and and observe it.

<Something is wrong with the flu numbers.
Yes. I already told you that they disappered into the covid numbers.
@alyx @icedquinn @lottev stop shouting. these infrctuon control measures are a joke. they have somewhere between little and negative overall benefit. there's more going on here than what the media and government are telling you

being an ass hole about it doesn't make you right either
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