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I love that people here keep giving the benefit of the doubt to Russia. Interesting to see fedi not being dumb enough to believe western propaganda, but still stupid enough to believe Putin propaganda.
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@alyx I dislike Ukraine more than I dislike Russia so 
@icedquinn @beardalaxy
I'm strongly indifferent towards Ukraine. I don't hate them, I have no ill will towards them, but I'm not necessarily crazy about them either.
Still, I believe Russia's invasion is a great injustice that is being done to Ukraine. I think the morally right thing to do is to help them, but I don't believe just giving them money and our old weapons is actually helping them. Basically I think NATO should have either gone guns blazing with everything to scare the shit out of Putin, or shut the fuck up. I don't see how this half-assed approach is doing Ukraine any good. If someone did the numbers, I bet less people would have died if no one helped them and Putin managed to make them kneel in a week.
@icedquinn @beardalaxy
By that reasoning we shouldn't provide Ukraine with financial or weapon aid, but we do. There's no obligation, but NATO members could still have decided: "ok, we're stopping this" if they wanted to, just like they've decided: "we'll just give them some money and weapons so that no one can accuse us we didn't do anything".
