kind of bizzare that men thought happy men would be the most attractive to women but women apparently think happiness is cringe and prefer men who look bored and dead

@icedquinn
No... this is precisely what I would have expected. Women have no evolutionary pressure to select for happy men. They evolved to select for successful and powerful men. That's pretty much it. Men's emotions don't play much of a role in that. The slight pride uptick is more of a byproduct of successful men.

On the other side of the coin, the evolutionary pressure on men is to protect women and ensure their happiness, because men's goal is to make women faithful to them. So from the start, women being happy is what men want.

@alyx @icedquinn

@alyx @Ashalam @icedquinn @alyx there was a really good response to this chart by @ceo_of_monoeye_dating but I'm too tired to be bothered to dig it up right now

@roboneko @Ashalam @alyx @icedquinn tl;dr "Dating site statistics sample people who remain on dating sites, and not the general population."

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam
So is the general idea that women on dating sites just happen to be far worse people than women in the general population?

@alyx @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam That is one way to interpret it. There's lots of interpretations of this, but none of them are "this is the general dating population."

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam
I think that's wishful thinking.

@alyx @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam Proper sampling matters. When your sample is flawed, you need to acknowledge it. Extrapolating to the general populace is not possible here.

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam
Too much of the population uses online dating to still claim sampling is flawed to this extent.

@alyx @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam Oh, I want to point out here that I have been saying "remain on dating sites" as opposed to "use dating sites" for a reason.

If someone uses a dating app for 1 month, pairs off with someone, then deletes the app, you get less data out of them.

If someone uses the dating app for 12 months unsuccessfully, then you get a lot of data out of them.

Most of this data is coming from people who stayed on the dating app and didn't pair off successfully.

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam
A single person who stays 12 months on a dating site is not gonna become 12 data points, while a person that stays 1 month only provides 1 data point. That's not how studies are made. This is a severely erroneous assumption. If someone were to make this mistake in constructing a study, I would demand they be thrown out of academia.
Studies show a snapshot in 1 point of time, where each individual is 1 data point. That's it. You don't need to track the views of people who got married out of dating sites to get an unbiased view on how dating men rate women and vice-versa.

@alyx @icedquinn @Ashalam I'm going to bookmark this to explain to you later, unless @roboneko can drill it into your mind.

I will point that the OKCupid data is not an academic study - it is a corporation publishing their data.