kind of bizzare that men thought happy men would be the most attractive to women but women apparently think happiness is cringe and prefer men who look bored and dead

@icedquinn
No... this is precisely what I would have expected. Women have no evolutionary pressure to select for happy men. They evolved to select for successful and powerful men. That's pretty much it. Men's emotions don't play much of a role in that. The slight pride uptick is more of a byproduct of successful men.

On the other side of the coin, the evolutionary pressure on men is to protect women and ensure their happiness, because men's goal is to make women faithful to them. So from the start, women being happy is what men want.

@alyx @Ashalam @icedquinn @alyx there was a really good response to this chart by @ceo_of_monoeye_dating but I'm too tired to be bothered to dig it up right now
@roboneko @Ashalam @alyx @icedquinn tl;dr "Dating site statistics sample people who remain on dating sites, and not the general population."

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam
So is the general idea that women on dating sites just happen to be far worse people than women in the general population?

@alyx @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam That is one way to interpret it. There's lots of interpretations of this, but none of them are "this is the general dating population."
@alyx @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam Proper sampling matters. When your sample is flawed, you need to acknowledge it. Extrapolating to the general populace is not possible here.

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam
Too much of the population uses online dating to still claim sampling is flawed to this extent.

@alyx @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam Oh, I want to point out here that I have been saying "remain on dating sites" as opposed to "use dating sites" for a reason.

If someone uses a dating app for 1 month, pairs off with someone, then deletes the app, you get less data out of them.

If someone uses the dating app for 12 months unsuccessfully, then you get a lot of data out of them.

Most of this data is coming from people who stayed on the dating app and didn't pair off successfully.

@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @Ashalam
A single person who stays 12 months on a dating site is not gonna become 12 data points, while a person that stays 1 month only provides 1 data point. That's not how studies are made. This is a severely erroneous assumption. If someone were to make this mistake in constructing a study, I would demand they be thrown out of academia.
Studies show a snapshot in 1 point of time, where each individual is 1 data point. That's it. You don't need to track the views of people who got married out of dating sites to get an unbiased view on how dating men rate women and vice-versa.

@alyx @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @icedquinn @Ashalam the problem is what happens to the sample over time. people come and people go but they don't do so at the same rates. so certain populations will build up on the site

the study is a snapshot, but the point is, what is it a snapshot _of_?
@alyx @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @icedquinn @Ashalam why? if populations leave at a different rate than they join then you will establish some equilibrium

if every day you add 5 red and 5 blue marbles to a bag. and then you remove 10% of the red ones and 30% of the blue ones. you will not have a 50/50 mix in the bag

@roboneko @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @icedquinn @Ashalam
I've explained far too much already. At this point I'm feeling like I'm talking to a stubborn wall.

@alyx @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @icedquinn @Ashalam why don't I? do you think my impression of you is wrong? if so, why? is there any particular reason you believe yourself to have a good grasp of statistical phenomena?

I've done quite a bit of that math for various reasons and I still frequently get confused by it

which brings up another good example. genetic algorithms. they operate on a very similar principle. lots of trash goes in, stuff that's only slightly better gets selected for slightly more frequently, and eventually you're left with really good stuff
@alyx @Ashalam @icedquinn @roboneko my man, I want to point out that the things you and I think are obvious may not actually be obvious to an average observer. Moreover, our friend here is emotionally charged right now - I think it is bad to bring out the textbooks right now.
@alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @alyx @Ashalam @icedquinn true it probably wasn't the most constructive approach in context but :shrug_kon: while blunt it's not a personal attack. I'd be willing to listen if he could articulate *why* he thought I was wrong
@roboneko @Ashalam @alyx @icedquinn He did start to bring up a valid counterpoint - that there's people who stop using dating sites for reasons other than pairing off. However, he won't hear that the equilibrium these things reach is not distributed like the actual dating population from either of us anymore.

He's gone done stormed off 'cause you ticked him off. I understand it's tempting to tweak the guy's nose like that, but I'd wanted to actually get something through to him!
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @Ashalam @alyx @icedquinn I see. This is all about Jewish number magic. Statistics are okay but real life is not a number. The solution here gentleman is get a pooch and go to the gym. Or as the rappers in the 90's said, fuck hoe's, get money. I was expecting something much more agregious for this kind of freak out this is a bit silly tbh ha
@SoyMagnus @roboneko @icedquinn @alyx @Ashalam >get a pooch
🤔 Yes, but that is how you get women to be sexually attracted to your dog and not you.
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @alyx @Ashalam oh I just don't care about women. That's not a technique to get women, but a companion all boys need a pupperoni it mandatory & the moment u get one u lose interest in sluts
@SoyMagnus @roboneko @icedquinn @alyx @Ashalam This is fair. I personally prefer adult human friends, but mostly of the male variety and in completely platonic ways.
@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @roboneko @icedquinn @alyx @Ashalam I've tried having friends but people are garbage. Puppers are loyalty incarnate =}
@roboneko @Ashalam @alyx @icedquinn That one has been saved in my folder for years and this is the first time she gets to come out.
@alyx @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @icedquinn @Ashalam well if you really did mute me then you probably won't see this but :shrug_kon: your misunderstanding is the "increasing forever" bit. simple equilibria look like a sigmoid. which is also (approximately) what large human populations look like post industrialization btw
@alyx @alyx @ceo_of_monoeye_dating @icedquinn @Ashalam it's true tho. you have to realize that he isn't arguing a particular view on women here. he's merely pointing out limitations of the data. he's saying "you can't assume [thing]" not "[particular view] is how women are"
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