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@icedquinn @LukeAlmighty @hj @shpuld
I think Michael Shermer had a podcast episode recently that touched on it. I'll try to find it again.

@LukeAlmighty @hj @shpuld
Kinda true. If we force a dark age for the sake of "muh environment" advocates, not only are we stopping progress, but the society is likely to lose our knowledge and understanding of how to do these things.

Did you know that because NASA hasn't been to the moon for half a century, they no longer have any idea how to rebuild the rockets they used in the 60s-70s?

We're definitely better off using these resources now, even if only a fraction of them gets put into researching and developing better sources of energy.

As for uranium running out, sure eventually it will. But it's gonna be a long while before it does. And if we manage to make fusion in that time, you've basically reached the end goal.

@icedquinn @LukeAlmighty @hj @shpuld
Yeah, I know a recent potential solution was just released into peer review, but it's gonna take a long time till you actually see it on the market.

@icedquinn @LukeAlmighty @hj @shpuld
Ooooohh that thing.... heard about that recently. The effect is not really well understood, but if I understood correctly, it's not actually fusion that's the underlying effect.

@lebronjames75 @icedquinn @shpuld
Something similar happened over here too. Recyclables were packaged and were supposed to be sent to China for the actual recycling part. China rejected them, because the trash wasn't pure enough (wasn't sorted well enough) and sent it back, only to remain stuck in warehouses. They didn't even get sent to be burned or to a landfill.

@hj @LukeAlmighty @shpuld
Sure, but pound for pound, you get a lot more out of uranium, so it balances out.

@LukeAlmighty @hj @shpuld
I know. Photovoltaic panels literally lose a good amount of their efficiency in their first few days or hours of usage.

@hj @shpuld
Actually, the shaking bit might work, but do it in water. Metal would drop, paper would likely float. I think they do something like this when recycling plastics, to both clean the plastic flakes after shredding, and make sure any metal that could have gotten in is separated.

@hj @LukeAlmighty @shpuld
Fission fuel is not that scarce. Not to mention that things like thorium-salt reactors could actually reuse some of the previous nuclear waste as fuel. So there are potential solutions to extend the fuel as much as possible.
But it doesn't even need to last forever anyway. Just enough till you get fusion reactor going. After that, you really wouldn't have much to worry about regarding fuel.

@LukeAlmighty @hj @shpuld
Nuclear is far from perfect. I love nuclear energy as a concept, and even I can recognize that waste management is a massive headache. There are some solutions on the horizon to deal with some of that too, but as it stands, it's true that if something goes bad at a nuclear facility, it goes REALLY bad.
If something goes bad at a solar plant, a couple of panels get cracked. :blobshrug:

So I wouldn't say nuclear power is anywhere close to "too perfect to be true".

@hj @shpuld
Except you can't use magnets, cause it's aluminium metal, not steel. I know technically all metal is magnetic to some degree, but to use magnets strong enough to attract aluminium is unfeasible because it would mess with the machinery itself.

If it's just a cardboard/plastic sandwich, and you're not expecting to get high qualify cardboard after the recycling, you can just shred the thing as is. The plastic is not a large proportion, so the impurities would be acceptable. But for the life of me, I can't figure out what they'd do for the ones that also include the foil.

@hj @shpuld
Most fast food places are tiny, and don't have the space for washing facilities. It's why you've got a removable paper layer over the plastic trays (at least that's how it is here), to avoid having to wash anything.

@tn5421 @hj @shpuld
And it's probably not even close to how confusing and complicated it should be.

Technically, you're supposed to separate the different kinds of plastics, metal should be separated at least between aluminium cans and everything else, and so on. For an actual good recycling system, you'd probably have close to a dozen different trash bins.

@hj @shpuld
There are retarded shit about recycling everywhere, all the time. It gets really fucked up when you start to thing about it.

Take milk cartons. They're supposedly recyclable, but god only knows how they actually separate all the different layers that make up the "cardboard" box. That's usually actually a sandwich of cardboard, plastic, and sometimes aluminium too.

>technology connection viewer
Nice.

@hj @shpuld
Just running hot water is probably not enough to meet safety standards. Even if it's close to boiling water, it would have to have some significant pressure behind it (if you want fast cleaning).
If you're ok with the process taking a long time, you could probably adapt the same tech normal washing machines use, and make something smaller just for straws.

@hj @shpuld
>and real reason why people switched to paper straw is littering and people not sorting the trash
Here's the thing though, most straw use is in restaurants, not random people at home. It's much easier to get restaurants to sort trash, a lot of them do it already, and it's much easier accomplished.

The idiocy of the paper straw "solution", is that it focuses at 1% of the straw problem, that come from domestic usage, when with traditional plastic straws you had solutions ready and available to fix 99% of the problem.

But this is what dipshit "green" advocacy does. It ignores good enough solutions, because they're "just" 99% instead of 100%, and they literally advocate against them, and leaves you into a spot where you're struggling to even get back at where you were previously.

Another sign of "green" advocacy doing this is with the decline in nuclear energy. It's not 100% "clean&renewable" so they're trowing away this solution when we didn't even manage to phase out coal yet.
Instead of pushing for nuclear and solar/wind/etc. until we phase out coal, and only after that trying to phase out unsafe nuclear too; instead they're slowly pushing out nuclear while we're literally still relying on fossil fuels.

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