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econ pol, uspol 

@wizzwizz4 @pasture
>The free market doesn't create nor sustain itself
What kind of marxist nonsense is that? Maybe you need to read an economy text book. Free trade and free markets have existed since the dawn of humanity.

>I didn't say how, but surely *not starving* is a human right.
Don't think it is pal. At least not in the way you probably think of it. Sure we have a right to live, and to take actions that would help ensure our survival. But that doesn't mean you have a right for someone else to feed you. You have to work for it, and that work can take many forms. You can work by taking a job at McDonalds or you can work by going in a forest and eating berries you pick for the rest of your life. In both cases you can be successful in achieving your goal of *not starving*, but it's gonna depend on the work you do. If anything, the American phrasing of "right to pursuit life, liberty and happiness" is much closer to reality of what a right is, than your "right to not starve".

>Some people have no choice but to live in debt their whole lives in order not to die
To me it sounds like some people chose to live in debt from the start, and now they're complaining that their bad choices have consequences.
I might sounds cruel, but the thing is, the way I see it, this is true. The credit card system that so many Americans gleefully take a part in, is for me the biggest example that they choose to live in debt from day one. Credit cards are not a widely used system in my country. We're mostly debit card users. Meaning we only spend money that we actually made, instead of choosing to live in debt. Maybe because of this, Americans will realize they have a personal finance problem only when they're already a couple of monthly wages in debt, making their problem much worse.

>meaning they aren't free to consider the job-switching required for the wage to be market-governed
The only circumstances I've ever seen where someone really didn't have the freedom to switch jobs were when there was another 3rd actor involved. Usually a consequence of a court decision. So if you have a specific example in mind, I'd like to hear it.
And even if you personally can't actually switch jobs, it doesn't matter. Not everyone has to switch jobs all the time for market effects to take place. Just the fact that some of the people get to change around, or even just the fact that there are less qualified people your boss could employ to replace you, is enough to have an impact on the market.

>What bad effects would minimum wage cause?
First effect you're guaranteed to see is companies firing part of their workers, and forcing everyone remaining to take on the extra work.
Second effect is even more companies moving their factories to China or India than already have.
A direct consequence will be a significant increase in unemployment.
Another consequence effect of the first two will be lower quality products and services. This will have bigger ramifications to the economy in general, especially when it comes to selling your products to other countries. But I probably shouldn't bore you any further with the realities of economics.

@sex@neckbeard.xyz
They are somewhat studied when it comes to adults. But they're not nearly studied enough when it comes to children. And messing around with a child's hormone system during puberty, exactly when it's at it's peak, is like working on an engine while it's running. It's incredibly stupid.

@tusooa
There are no long term studies on their impact on children. They were never meant to be used in the way they are used for "trans" kids. We are witnessing an unethical experiment being performed on children.

@sex@neckbeard.xyz
Transition therapy is mostly still experimental. If anyone tells you doctors know exactly what all the pills involved with it do, especially when it comes to kids, they're lying to you.

econ pol, uspol 

@wizzwizz4 @pasture
>But *is* the context all that different?
Yes. Everything from historic values on which the nation was formed, to differences of how the government functions, to even things like unrestricted immigration, all of these are a big wrench in your plan to play around with minimum salary policy.

> a lot of things in the US are built on the promise of cheap labour
Nope. US is built on the idea of freedom. Cheap labor happened because of massive immigration (basically a lot of freedom). This is why I said you need to study the context of each country. If you were to stop immigration in US (a change in context), you wouldn't even need to institute minimal salary policy. The wages would slowly increase on their own simply because of market supply and demand.
Australia, being basically an island, doesn't have the same kind of immigration. For the longest time, neither did most European countries that also have such policies. But guess what, with the recent "Syrian" refugee crisis, and the influx of "refugees", Europe has been starting to suffer too and show cracks. The context changed, and suddenly problems started to appear. And Europe is nowhere near close to how dysfunctional immigration is for US.

>dysfunctional and parasitic constructs
Could you explain exactly what you mean by that?

>You can *make* the context one where it's possible to pay people enough money
Sure, if you can change a couple of hundreds of years of history, I'm sure you can make the context of USA whatever you want it to be. But in reality, it's not that easy. There are a lot of things you'd have to change, maybe about America as a continent in it's entirety, before you can reach the point where a minimum salary policy works the same way as in places like Europe or Australia. And there may be lesser ways in which you can change the context of USA to where a lower impact variation of minimum salary policy works. But there are still other changes you need to do before hand, and you can't just go "we want minimum wage" like Bernie does, without studying any of this in advance (like every other socialist does).

>You *have* to
Why? No seriously, why? If your reasoning is that it needs to be done to improve the livelihood of American citizens, my rebuke is that there are potentially countless other ways this can be achieved without messing around with this particular policy.
There is no "have to" here. You "could" do it, and it might work (most likely it might not). There is no supreme moral truth that demands you "have to" institute such policy.

Repeating this every once in a while, cause sometimes I feel it's necessary.

Are you old enough to consent to sex, vote, get a job, and other such adult activities? Then I don't give the slightest of craps what you do with your body. Sure, there are things you might do that I don't personally like, such as getting a tattoo, but it's your body, so I can't and neither do I desire to have the power to stop you. So have whatever transition therapy you want.

But don't you dare think it's ok to experiment on kids for the sake of promoting your twisted gender ideology that is based on unproven assumptions, hypocrisy, sexism and a whole lot of thirst for power.

And yes, there's a lot of sexism at the heart of current gender/transgender ideology. Especially with the genderfluid/non-binary parts of it. Maybe I'll talk about that one again some other time.

@sex@neckbeard.xyz
>vice
Why would you link one of the trashiest sites that exists?

@GymratTim
Not surprised if that's the case tbh.
Again, seeing how they try so hard to push for transition therapy in younger and younger children, the only way they can solve the cognitive dissonance between children not being able to consent to sex, but somehow being mentally developed enough to understand their twisted definitions of gender, is if they eliminate age of consent altogether.

@GymratTim
Not aware of many weird ideas regarding age of consent from these people, except that they somehow don't understand that children can't consent to gender reassignment therapy.

econ pol 

@wizzwizz4 @pasture
Economies are a lot more complicated than just: "these guys have this minimum salary, why can't we have that?". Trying to randomly compare 2 countries that have little in common when it comes to politics or economics, and just pick and choose what you want to propagandize for your country is a massive moron move.

It doesn't even work well for European countries that have a closer historical relationship with one another, why would it work for comparing anything to USA?

Each and every policy you like in a different country and would want for your own, needs to be carefully and thoroughly studies in the socio-economical, political, historical context of the host nation before you can even think about adopting it. Because if the conditions are not the same, and let's be honest they almost never are, and if you don't take any measures to adapt the initial policy to the context of your nation, then you're gonna fail big time.

This is what Biden and American socialists do all the time. They completely ignore the context of other nations, and think they can just copy-paste policies that just don't fit within the socio-economic, political and historical context of USA.

And if you're wondering why I'm so convinced you can't just copy-paste policies, it's because my own shitty 2nd world nation does it all the time, and I constantly see this approach fail in real-time.

@colonelj
No it's not. It's a way to fool people into thinking this is a cool trend to participate in.

@pasture
Don't worry, I searched it already before posting, because I at least remembered it was something stupid from the gender studies degree idiots.

But I still hate the fuck out of it, cause they're so desperate to giving this a trendy name, and trick people into accepting a deeply flawed and I would argue sexist concept.

And no, non-binary is not a thing. Wearing pants as a girl doesn't magically nullify your gender. How is it that people understood this 30 years ago, but don't understand it today? Oh right... gender studies....

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I hate that morons keep using "enbie" as a word, and I hate even more that I can't even remember what it's supposed to mean.

@pasture
It's not like Bernie isn't stupid with his take, but the reply is so much worse that I can't even...

@Eyoson@neckbeard.xyz
Didn't Mythbusters test this already, but with a trailer and a bunch of pigeons? If I remember the result of that one correctly, your example should be 1.5kg.

@matrix
How do they constantly manage to take pics of her that make her look loco?

Hypothesis: rapid onset gender dysphoria is a combination of peer pressure, kids copying what is trendy to fit in with the cool & interesting peers, them being desperate for attention and recognition, and a form of medical student's syndrome.

@MisterRogersSnapped @josh
I would also add a variation of medical students' syndrome.
For those who didn't hear about it, medical students' syndrome is when you hear a bunch of symptoms of a disease and end up being convinced your normal daily fatigue and small aches MUST be because you also have that disease. As the name implies, it occurs frequently with medical students.
My hypothesis is that ecelebs and other categories of people who are more likely to interact with trans-people, will get to hear their "symptoms", and will eventually convince themselves that their own depression, anxieties and insecurities MUST be because they're also trans.
This might also contribute to explaining rapid onset gender dysphoria.

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