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@Spag @Mysha Yes, I hate them too, which is why I didn't quote a single instance of it

@Mysha @Spag It's literally illegal to say anything else (for some reason)

@Mysha @Spag If they did, there'd probably be some evidence of systemic killings

Any documents, any communications, any mass graves, "death" chambers with actual cyanide traces, anything, and you'd probably have a more consistent story from the allies

Instead they concentrated them instead of just killing them, spent resource to keep them alive, rabbit breeding programs, concerts, swimming pools, even infirmaries, and actual records of them worrying about the typhus problem and their wellbeing

They couldn't really get them out of Germany during a war and they needed labour anyways

@pomstan @Mysha It was a bunch of jews killing White people, and there is good evidence the policies were directly aimed at Ukranians

Yeah, there was a racial bias

@Spag @Mysha Ты даже бы умел читать то?

@Spag @Mysha The camps existed, that's not the fake claim, it's that they were death camps

@Spag @Mysha Just that bit about the soviets' own records is enough to prove it was deliberate murder

@Spag @Mysha

>According to Natalya Naumenko, collectivization in the Soviet Union and lack of favored industries were primary contributors to famine mortality (52% of excess deaths), and some evidence shows there was discrimination against ethnic Ukrainians and Germans.[60] Lewis H. Siegelbaum, Professor of History at Michigan State University, states that Ukraine was hit particularly hard by grain quotas which were set at levels which most farms could not produce. The 1933 harvest was poor, coupled with the extremely high quota level, which led to starvation conditions. The shortages were blamed on kulak sabotage, and authorities distributed what supplies were available only in the urban areas.[citation needed] According to a Centre for Economic Policy Research paper published in 2021 by Andrei Markevich, Natalya Naumenko, and Nancy Qian, regions with higher Ukrainian population shares were struck harder with centrally planned policies corresponding to famine, and Ukrainian populated areas were given lower amounts of tractors which were correlated to a reduction in famine mortality, ultimately concluding that 92% of famine deaths in Ukraine alone along with 77% of famine deaths in Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus combined can be explained by systematic bias against Ukrainians

>Between January and mid-April 1933, a factor contributing to a surge of deaths within certain region of Ukraine during the period was the relentless search for alleged hidden grain by the confiscation of all food stuffs from certain households, which Stalin implicitly approved of through a telegram he sent on the 1 January 1933 to the Ukrainian government reminding Ukrainian farmers of the severe penalties for not surrendering grain they may be hiding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

>At the time of the Holodomor, over one-third of the villages in Ukraine were put on "blacklists" for failing to meet grain quotas. Blacklisted villages were encircled by troops and residents were blockaded from leaving or receiving any supplies; it was essentially a collective death sentence.

>While Ukrainians were dying, the Soviet state extracted 4.27 million tons of grain from Ukraine in 1932, enough to feed at least 12 million people for an entire year. Soviet records show that in January of 1933, there were enough grain reserves in the USSR to feed well over 10 million people. The government could have organized famine relief and could have accepted help from outside of the USSR. Moscow rejected foreign aid and denounced those who offered it, instead exporting Ukraine's grain and other foodstuffs abroad for cash.

https://cla.umn.edu/chgs/holocaust-genocide-education/resource-guides/holodomor

@Mysha And they're all shitty points.

Evidence for the Holodomor is it was literally just admitted and written policy

Evidence against the holocaust is mainly just scientific and the complete lack of actual evidence

@Spag @Mysha Does anyone at all deny the fact he: increased their quotas during a draught, punished anyone for having grain for themselves, shot people that tried to leave, had massive grain reserves so had no reason for the quotas and could easily have let them all live?

I don't think the pictures are really the important evidence here. Pictures in general are just shitty evidence. We have pictures of Bigfoot

The "debate" around it is whether this counts as deliberate killing (it does)

@Mysha The Holodomor was literally just admitted government policy.

There's a drought, I'm increasing your quotas, anyone that has grain is a kulak, you're not getting any of my massive grain reserves, and you get shot if you try and escape

Holocaust doesn't have a single document with orders, numbers, methods, plans, anything, even from decrypted communications, even directly from Auschwitz

They're not comparable

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@actualincel https://ifunny.co/picture/hill-hbatakus-it-s-funny-how-fascism-more-or-less-gLIsseoQ8
Amazing ifunny allows all of this

The account in general
https://ifunny.co/user/S8S8

@diresock @matrix @mangeurdenuage The meme doesn't specify that it has to be established in this reality for some reason

The utopia is the bait the faith is based on, that's the point

@matana @mangeurdenuage @matrix Tbf, they're largely dead now, and jesus probably existed

@mangeurdenuage @matrix The point of the meme is that they're blind worship with a utopia as the reward

How are they different in a way that makes that untrue?

@mangeurdenuage @matrix Yeah, they're literally different things, but why are they meaningfully different here?

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