@Alex @matrix True, in that vein a lot of the enjoyment is the experience with the community, and compared to 20, 15, even 10 years ago... yeah fuck.

I think there's still value to the story of FFXIV, it's pretty entertaining at a lot of points despite the lows hitting hard, but you can literally just play the game as if it's a single player game, or I dunno watch that shit on YouTube and save 400 hours. At this point the community is basically anime Second Life, existing beyond being a wallflower is engaging in hostile social PVP where you even risk getting your account banned for overstepping boundaries. But otherwise in general, it's very sad how these games made for hundreds of people to be in the world together end up being social deserts where, if they have to party up then it's very reluctantly. And yeah I get it, people are garbage now...