@Loki I guess it happens a lot to people that have creative pretensions, i guess it's just thing of keep doing things and then they will start flowing more naturally.
On the render i did of the field with the giant cogs, i had more or less the idea on my head on how i wanted it to look, but used craiyon a bit to help cement the ideas a bit more. I think used correctly these things can be artist's best tool.
oh those are the very first to give up, people who think they're hot shit, but they ruin it for the more shy types. The real artists aren't vocal about if someone sucks, they see people at different stages and see potential, not some form of "oh, they suck, because I'm better than them
I think artists need to be able to see their own progress or it becomes tiresome
@coyote @Loki wow thanks bro 
And yeah what you say it's very true, you oughta keep digging and putting effort on every piece you make, no matter how bad it could be, it's still a step towards mastery, because knowledge is not gonna filter through air!
Also saw one artist on twitter answering the question "how do i learn to draw hands?" with: "keep drawing more hands"... some people were really mad (out of confusion because there was not a clearer response and straightforward advice i guess) but it's just that simple in the end.
> no matter how bad it could be, it's still a step towards mastery
and the nice thing is, most somewhat famous musicians, actors, and such aren't extremely skilled, they're hardworking, persistent, and they're competent in what they do. Not masters of anything, especially pop stars who rely on producers.. Or marvel movie actors.... Or Peter Lik... These are the highest paid performers on the planet, and they're essentially intermediates at what they're famous for... The reason this is, is because harder to appreciate art is not as widely appreciated as easy to appreciate "art", which is usually corporate. Long story short: if you wanna have any success 1) create furiously 2) get connections to anyone and everyone, local, national, cross national, whoever you can and 3) USE those connections AT THE RIGHT TIME as in when you are READY 4) keep creating furiously 5) repeat 1-4. It's obviously more complex than this, but this is the essential formula.
> how do i learn to draw hands?
> keep drawing more hands
lmao but no one wants to listen to this, it's really sad... it's the honest truth! people want the easy way out...
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@coyote @hideki @Loki best way to do it imo is to find a good niche. I've mentioned before but I play music at a lot of food truck events and have pretty much become "the food truck music guy" so I'm playing 3-4 times a week 3 hours a day and making way more money than people who just try to get shows at local venues or restaurants where there is a LOT of competition and a lot of people on the schedule. So they get to play a show a week max and only end up taking home like $50 at the end of the night. They're playing places where nobody knows who they are except their friends and family and expecting to get a bunch of people coming there and paying money specifically to see them. I'm over here playing where people definitely don't know who I am but they get to choose if they pay me or not and most end up doing so, and a bunch end up asking me to play private events and stuff. I'm not getting to super levels of stardom with a record deal or anything but even then I'm probably making more money than an indie artist with a label attached to them, or even a touring totally independent artist ESPECIALLY with the cost of gas atm.
Just find the niche. Do what you love to do at a spot that makes sense where not a lot of people are capitalizing. OR go to an art school and socialize heavily with everyone you can while you're there, because you can get some pretty good ins with these professors who are already pretty savvy with the industry. That requires a lot of time, money, AND bullshit though, rather than just time.
@coyote @Loki @hideki reminds me of my friend who went to a coding bootcamp and immediately tried to get a programming job at a bunch of big places who would only hire him as an IT guy. Either you take that, or you try and find some smaller place that might not pay you as much but you'll be doing a lot more and gain much more industry experience. He did neither and got disheartened, went to work security instead. It's all about humble beginnings and finding what you can get, and working your way up from there. Too many people expect to just have the American Dream served to them on a silver platter because they "took all the right steps" but a lot of that stuff is just a scam now.
