@memeextremist @justnormalkorean @Shadowman311 they're not just mediocre, they're all really fucking good games. is there a 1st party mario game that isn't insanely polished and fun? i don't mind if i'm playing "the same game" over and over again, if it's more of the same good thing i see that as an absolute win. clearly, a lot of other people do with the ongoing resurgence of retro-inspired indie titles that just take the same thing we have seen time and time again but refine it further or introduce some small new things here and there.

bethesda has the community aspect right, with a few blunders along the way but they have the right spirit at the very least, but their games are just blech. very ambitious, but unrefined.

nintendo is the opposite. it frequently seems like they actually hate their fans. however, their games are incredibly refined, especially given the hardware they run on.

at the end of the day, i'd still rather play a good game from a developer i know doesn't give a shit about me, than a bad/broken game from a developer that claims they give a shit about me but doesn't actually deliver a solid product.

@Zealist @justnormalkorean @memeextremist @Shadowman311 they hate their fans because they see them doing stuff with their properties that they feel entitled to. they're worried about brand image and that a game that comes out from a fan will either be bad and leave a poor taste in people's mouth, or it will take money from their games and their sales. why would you play mario 64 in the 3d all stars collection when you could play a remake someone made in unreal engine on pc that is superior? they're very stingy with stuff like assets as well, and this is why fan games don't exist as much as romhacks do that use either the assets available in the game already, or they import ones that nintendo doesn't actually own.

the antithesis to nintendo is ZUN, who lets his games, characters, music, everything, exist in the public conscience and be used however people want to use them. because of that, it is the only game other than minecraft to have its own convention (i believe it actually has two).

bethesda is somewhere in between the two, obviously they probably wouldn't let someone make and sell an elder scrolls game completely independently, but they're totally cool with mods and even mod creators getting paid without them seeing a dime. they know it is the lifeblood of all of their games.

@justnormalkorean @memeextremist @Shadowman311 i knew someone was gonna' say it, but pokemon isn't a nintendo game. they just own 1/3 of the franchise, the other 2 owners being creatures and gamefreak. gamefreak has their office in the same building as nintendo but they aren't owned by nintendo at all. pokemon isn't technically an in-house game and that's the stuff i'm referring to :)

@justnormalkorean @memeextremist @Shadowman311 they only CAN make pokemon games on nintendo platforms because nintendo owns a part of the franchise lol, that's basically the deal.

gamefreak makes other games. they're also either shit or painfully mediocre. i don't consider them a first party, they just make one first party game.

what i mean when i say "nintendo games" are games that are developed in-house by their development teams within Nintendo EPD.

@justnormalkorean @memeextremist @Shadowman311 lol it's like the opposite problem bethesda has where games like DOOM and Evil Within are great but aren't actually developed by them