@Mr_NutterButter yeah you know what, you're right on the money actually. seeing the work that the skyblivion team has been doing is really impressive. and obviously people still make really great stuff with goldsrc even.

and yes, just like asmongold said, the engine being bad doesn't excuse the writing, the world, the lack of features from previous games, etc. technical issues, okay fine we can probably chalk that up to the creation engine at least a little bit, but then the fact that modders can come around and fix all of that almost immediately... bethesda is just either incredibly incompetent from the top down or the management is ridiculously poor. probably both.