Zelensky has long been a retard who lacks impulse-control - remember when he randomly interfered in Hungary's election in an attempt to get rid off Viktor Orban, only for Orban to INCREASE his majority? Good job creating a permanent enemy for yourself, asshole. Or how about all those instances of him being ungrateful and whining about how the West needs to provide him with even more money and weapons? He's look been cruising for a bruising for years, and finally he got verbally punched in the face by the world's most powerful man.

@ChristiJunior Telling Trump he can’t talk down to him (I’m not here to play cards) was absolutely childish.

@griffith @ChristiJunior
>cuck to the US because we gave you money
would you have preferred he grovelled on his knees? at least he has some self-respect, unlike trump himself who wont even say a negative word towards Putin and kisses elon's feet.
enjoy oligarchy, trial ran in Russia and coming to America.

@yomiel @griffith I'd rather Zelensky fund his own damn war, after first holding elections to let the Ukrainian people vote on his war policy. Zelensky's self-respect also apparently only extends to being an ungrateful cunt, it doesn't get in the way of constantly begging for money and weapons.

@ChristiJunior @griffith
No country holds elections during war time.
>inb4 1944 America
the war wasn't on US soil.

>I'd rather Zelensky fund his own damn war
with what money? Ukraine is not rich. America funds tons and tons of wars. yet you draw the line at Ukraine?

Do you believe we should leave our allies to the wolves?

@yomiel @griffith @ChristiJunior the united states should not fund wars. if there is a war that we believe we should get involved in, it better be boots on the ground for an imminent threat. not this proxy war bullshit that only gets other nations destroyed when things might be very different if america didn't shove their cock into every orifice the world has to offer.

@beardalaxy @griffith @ChristiJunior
It seems weird that the first war you wish the United States to stop funding is Ukraine. Why now is there so much political will to stop funding foreign wars from the US government? Do you not in the slightest find that odd?

@yomiel @griffith @ChristiJunior oh i forgot you know literally everything about me my bad!

i've had this position forever. it is probably my most consistent belief throughout my life. i've always been anti-war. anti funding it, anti participating it. only if there is war on our soil should we engage, and there is a war on our soil right now in the form of illegal aliens, elite corruption, drug smuggling, and child trafficking. that's where our focus should be, not on israel or ukraine. i never liked us being in the middle east. thinking back to other wars i wasn't alive for, i disagree with the USA's involvement. i have always had the mindset that the US has an absurd amount of problems as-is that we need to focus on but instead we shit all that money away on the stupidest shit that doesn't even apply to us.

i think antagonizing countries that we have strenuous relationships with and that the world does in general is a really bad idea. it is much better to practice diplomacy and i genuinely think trump's conversations with putin and kim jong un are extremely productive not just for the US but for the world.

@beardalaxy @griffith @ChristiJunior
I didn't ask what you believe personally, I asked why now has the entire American political apparatus, including originally pro-war neocons, fallen behind the agenda of removing Ukraine's funding. People who wouldn't even dare speak on funding of Israel, or any other of the MIC's projects.

@yomiel @griffith @ChristiJunior i don't think there is some grand conspiracy to like let russia completely take over ukraine or something. i think trump actually just wants them to stop fighting and he's trying to get them to make a deal, but zelensky is not good at making deals.

a lot of the pro-war neocons are probably just trump dick suckers so they're like agreeing with whatever trump says. that would be my guess.

@beardalaxy @griffith @ChristiJunior
Yes, of course. People like Marco Rubio are falling in line to Trump because that's what they do. I don't think people like that are getting handed brief cases by Putin to let him take Ukraine.

But, with Trump, it's of note of how odd he's acting. He talks to Putin more than he talks to Zelensky. Optimism would wish that this is merely a case of keeping one's friends close and one's enemies closer.

but I think it's pretty clear to me that there is little material or personal interest for Trump to defend Ukraine. Ideologically he's far more aligned with Putin and his economic class in Russia than anything in Ukraine.

I don't think Trump wakes up and says 'Glory to the Russian Federation, death to holhols', frankly I don't even think he cares that much. But I believe his interests align with Putin.

@yomiel @griffith @ChristiJunior this is how I see it:

It's like in boxing, the ref will call a match if one of the guys is too fucked up to continue, even if he wants to keep going. If he keeps going, it's not going to be pretty. Trump is trying to be that ref here and get between Putin and Zelensky, but Zelensky doesn't understand what's happening at all. He's going to get back in that ring, the ref will wash his hands of it, and Putin will beat him into a bloody pulp. It's not worth it. It really is not worth it. Having a fighting spirit is one thing, but when it devolves into being retarded you need someone to stop you.

@beardalaxy @yomiel @griffith The worst part is course that Zelensky isn't the one suffering by prolonging the war, in fact, it results in him continuing to stay in power, receive billions in Western subsidies and be treated like a superhero by the MSM and the Eurocucks. And as a Jew, he's only happy to see White Christian Slavs be slaughtered on the battlefield.

@ChristiJunior @griffith @beardalaxy @yomiel No one cares about the MSM or eurocucks.

Ukraine is the victim of russian aggression and subversion that is actually fighting back in spite of that. That is what is missing in Americanized WN if one is being honest.

@andreas @griffith @ChristiJunior @yomiel then let them fight idgaf anymore just keep my money out of it