@verita84 oh yeah
-star fox is on snes.
-star fox 2 is an snes game but wasn't actually released until the snes classic and it's on the nintendo online emulator.
-star fox 64.
-star fox adventures on gamecube, which is just a zelda clone by rare, refactored from an original game called dinosaur planet meant to release on the n64.
-star fox assault on gamecube, more traditional star fox but with on-foot sections, by namco.
-star fox command on the DS, which is a tactics game with fog of war directed by the original star fox dev.
-star fox zero on wii u, which used motion controls and the second wii u screen as a cockpit view, and is a rehash of star fox 64 (which is a rehash of star fox) with elements from assault's story.
-star fox guard, which came packaged with zero and is a tower defense spin-off with slippy and his grandpa or some shit (never played it).

we haven't had a star fox game since 2016, and we arguably haven't had a "real" star fox game since 2005. there was a remake of 64 on the 3DS that was pretty good in like 2012 or 2013, but that doesn't really count.

i still don't think 64 has been matched, from both the actual franchise and fan games attempting to capture the same magic. there is always some unnecessary gimmick or something that is just not quite right in terms of gameplay.

my personal order from best to worst: 643D, 64, assault, adventures, zero, command, star fox, star fox 2. i just can't enjoy those last two with their low frame rates.

@beardalaxy @verita84 star fox 2 was released way earlier on rom

@dick @verita84 yeah but it was a leaked dev version, almost complete but not quite. the official release was the snes classic and it is the completed version.

@beardalaxy @verita84 they say this about earthbound zero. it wasnt released until earthbound beginings on wii u. but it has zero differences from the old rom

@beardalaxy @verita84 I actually like the motion controls in Zero, the big issue was it being a wannabe Star Fox 64 reboot rather than a proper sequel, especially lazy and uninspired after we already had a (really good) Star Fox 64 remaster on the 3DS.

@ChristiJunior @verita84 i cannot stand them, gyro is the most annoying way to play a video game for me hands down. constantly having to recenter is awful. you can mostly ignore it in the on-rails sequences, but once it goes into all-range mode the game really depends on you looking in cockpit view and using the gyro. it's a lot to juggle at once and never would i say it is better than just using a control stick.

since it was 10 years after the last game, and command essentially wrapped the story up (although the execution was very poor), i can understand wanting to do a reboot. i thought it was neat that they put the aparoids in there and, as a "james is alive" conspiracy theorist, it was cool to see them give a little bit more credence to that theory.

it would be awesome if the next star fox game just continued from there at this point and did some soft reboots of the stories of the games that followed with different gameplay. either that, or making it a game about marcus (krystal's and fox's child) instead. but that might not have quite the same effect for people since they are attached to the old characters a lot.

then there was talk of that star fox racing game forever. as a massive racing game fan i would probably really enjoy that... but it wouldn't really be star fox either. it'd probably be something like f-zero with weapons.

i could also see them doing something like an open world version of adventures mixed with assault for the next game. i think it could be done, and it could be done spectacularly, but i'd worry about it being spread too thin or being way too long.

@beardalaxy @verita84 There was that other one on the DS where you had to steer the stick with the touchscreen. If it had good controls, it could have been an actual Star Fox.

@p @verita84 yeah that was command. the tactics one. you would basically have a tactics map that you would draw on to chart the path your arwing would take, and then you might run into some enemies along the way. most of the battles were empty maps in all-range mode, but i think there were some that were more traditional star fox on-rails segments. the thing a lot of people don't like about command is how the story was handled, it's kind of like a CYOA thing and there are tons of different endings you can get that can be very radically different and some of them are also really weird and kind of cringe. like krystal joining star wolf and changing her name to "kursed" or fox and falco becoming f-zero racers lmao.

but what you described is exactly how i felt about star fox zero. if it had regular ass controls, i would have liked it a lot more. i had the most fun playing it when i was playing the two player mode with my friend so i could just use regular controls while he aimed all over the place with the gyro.

@beardalaxy @verita84

> yeah that was command. the tactics one. you would basically have a tactics map that you would draw on to chart the path your arwing would take,

I do not remember a tactics component or drawing the ship's path; it was like they wanted you to use the touchscreen as a joystick. But I also refused to draw a loop to do a barrel roll so I might not have gotten to that part.

@p @verita84 yup, they're the same exact game.

here is a guide for the story branches btw lol. you can see why some people thought it was a little much.

@beardalaxy @verita84 I mean, I liked 999 so this part was probably fine, just the controls for flying the ship were such terrible shit. They bothered to make the D-pad do something but that thing was "fire regular gun". Every direction. They could have just done the same SNES controls and it would have been fine, but they wanted you to treat the touchscreen like a joystick that you had to look at to make sure you didn't accidentally launch the bombs. I have only emailed Nintendo once in my life, and that game was the reason.

@Hephaestic @verita84 yeah that's really weird why didn't they give her any panties