@pernia the minecraft and deltarune ones are particularly funny
but i feel bad for the bros who just want to grill salmon

@pernia @beardalaxy I guarantee there was some frame from a video like that which was just like a bathroom tile or some shit and the AI tripped up on it. That's my theory at least.

A while back some of those "people" passed around a funny "prank" where they'd challenge someone to post a seemingly innocuous image from one of those videos, taken out of context, and you'd get perma'd in the same way.

@sendpaws @pernia yeah the one with the kid eating popcorn. that was a frame from an actual video though, not just random grid patterns.

@beardalaxy @pernia yeah that's my theory something fucked up so hard that it would do something like the popcorn image for everything

one of the Discord jannies is claiming it's fixed and they're gonna unban people

@sendpaws @pernia okay so they do use hashing at least

@7666 only the good guys are allowed to have massive CP databases, duhhhhh.

@beardalaxy @7666 literally this
Graf tried to get in a while back and they were making him do so much legalese bullshit to even have access to it especially if you're not a US Citizen.

If you don't have access to it, you need to do shit like code an AI to flag any pornographic image or something (this is what another website did to stop the spam).

@7666 @beardalaxy it's a big field of research, there's a bunch of really interesting articles about it on Arxiv!

@7666 @beardalaxy FBI CP stash

@stickers @beardalaxy TRUE !!

@bronze @beardalaxy I hate discord or should we call it groomcord because groomers use it

@beardalaxy @Kerosene @HonkHonkBoom @pernia @sendpaws @7666 @sun @bronze @The_Vampire_Brigade @scathach cuckflare users get cuckflared as they damn well deserve, many such cases

@allison @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach if you want to know why this is a good read
https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-csam-scanning-tool/

Tl;dr, it uses "fuzzy hashing" to stop pedos from changing a few parts of the image to break the hash detection (demonstrated with normal images) and as a result it's easy to see how that can cause a problem.

@sendpaws @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach This is almost as bad as PhotoDNA containing enough data to reconstruct actual CSAM from the proprietary hash.

@7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach To quote the post
"The challenge was if criminal producers and distributors of CSAM knew exactly how such tools worked then they might be able to craft how they alter their images in order to beat it. To be clear, Cloudflare will be running the CSAM Screening Tool on behalf of the website operator from within our secure points of presence. We will not be distributing the software directly to users. We will remain vigilant for potential attempted abuse of the platform, and will take prompt action as necessary."

This is the other problems with these tools. It sounds vigilant on paper, that the pedos won't have access to it, but it creates another problem. What if you're a small site owner, who now has to comply with the new "ban CSAM" law and you want to do this because you think pedos should burn too, but they willingly won't let you for whatever reason they feel like?

Hence, it's why that site I mentioned had to develop a method to stop spam by using AI.

@sendpaws @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach my thought is that the csam producing parties know there's an informational asymmetry here and are using it to destroy the entire internet before they're able to be prosecuted in the full knowledge that the big producers have already cut deals with feds et al. to not be prosecuted, so the conseuqnces only fall on those poor sods who aren't in the business of producing or distributing csam. many such cases as they say!!

@allison @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @sendpaws @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @scathach lets build secretive censorship and government reporting infrastructure run on millions of sites using our man in the middle saas product

@sun @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @sendpaws @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @scathach LITERALLY

@sun @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @sendpaws @HonkHonkBoom @scathach hate cuckflare like you wouldnt believe

@bronze @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @beardalaxy @allison @sendpaws @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach That why my instance will use anubis I just need to figure out is anubis a good cloud server

@The_Vampire_Brigade @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach Anubis is like expecting your local police department to show up within 10 minutes: a joke.

It got bypassed when AI companies/scrapers threw more resources at it to bypass the challenges.

@sendpaws @7666 @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach thats configurable though. i've seen other solutions like `go-away` that seem better doe

@bronze @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @sendpaws @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach unfortunately cloudflare is too useful to ignore for very small sites
sure there's alternatives like fastly, but i'm sure they all do the same stuff

(guess when i turned on cloudflare for wolfgirl.bar)

@skylar @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @beardalaxy @allison @sendpaws @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach Alright I guess I just wish the texas one wasn't so anti free speech and strict on rules bunny.net I guesss I can go with control d

@skylar @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach >fastly

That's how cohost got raped, the thing with Fastly is they aren't free and want you to pay up while Cloudflare gives you sick deals for small sites.

@sendpaws @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach they do have a free tier at least, i've had it for over a year, but we'll see if it sticks around

@skylar @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach cohost went full retard
They paid their 4 guys out of a $400k donation 90k, leaving $40k for the site. Then they got sweet talked into using Fastly. Also 2/4 of their employees didn't do much but maybe be jannies.

@skylar @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @sendpaws @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach
>1.5 Mbit sustained.
You've lowered nothing to even more nothing.

@allison @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach I feel it's more, the feds are giving people like Facebook/YT/etc. the free passes here. The sickfucks are real and are going to always be a problem, but they can make it so that you have to throw legal and some underpaid janny teams of contractors desperate for a loaf of bread at the problem to make it go away.

8chan didn't host the livestream of the NZ shooting, Facebook did. Guess which site got the slap on the wrist?

@allison @7666 @pernia @beardalaxy @sendpaws @bronze @sun @scathach been thinking this for like a decade

@sendpaws @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach concept falls apart when they start uploading encrypted archives

"well ban encrypted archives!"

no

@7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @sendpaws @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach That is the justification they will use and offer up to normies, regardless of any potential consequences of it

@7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach I found out PhotoDNA did get reverse engineered when Apple was considering on-device media scanning because as it turns out, one of the third party companies they licensed it to had really sloppy opsec and leaked a full ISO file online with the "photodna.dll" black box.

https://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?archives/931-PhotoDNA-and-Limitations.html

What it does is make it into a 26x26 image and so it's easy to see how it could possibly be triggered from a certain hash.

@sendpaws @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach it's a game of cat and mouse, and the cat is always destined to lose

@allison @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @sendpaws @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach wait until i start embedding infostealers into their shit

@7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @sendpaws @bronze @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach hey if you can get away with it, by all means

@beardalaxy @Kerosene @HonkHonkBoom @sendpaws @7666 @sun @allison @bronze @The_Vampire_Brigade @scathach i'm telling you bro. ITS FREEMASON SHIT

@beardalaxy @Kerosene @HonkHonkBoom @pernia @sendpaws @7666 @sun @allison @bronze @The_Vampire_Brigade @scathach Conspiracy time.
This is normies getting hit as collateral damage, as an attempt is underway to undermine existing CP filters, fill databases with gray textures, to wealthy pedos can have their wank undetected.

@coded_artist @beardalaxy @Kerosene @HonkHonkBoom @pernia @sendpaws @7666 @sun @allison @The_Vampire_Brigade @scathach
wealthy pedos arent wanking to dark web shit theyre buying kids and fucking them

@bronze @7666 @pernia @Kerosene @The_Vampire_Brigade @beardalaxy @allison @sendpaws @HonkHonkBoom @sun @scathach Good point.
So this is for the benefit of middle-class pedophiles.