@Aldo2 @applejack in theory yeah this should work but the issue is that we don't have a verifiable way to know that these mfs know what they are doing as in being able to go into their mind and be like "ok they can consent". Hell, as you know I'm of the idea that kids don't even have any sexuality (specifically peeps below 13) so how tf do you allow this realistically? Its like the situation of a drunk woman approaching you, clearly sloppily and then regretting it in the morning, only this time, you can't tell when the woman is sober or drunk. At that point, its better to wait for her to be in a situation where she can't be drunk before you advance, like how society has the age of consent as a guideline of "ok this person can actually understand the nuance of consent"
@applejack @Aldo2 what you call masturbation is clearly just sexual substances at work without the child knowing how any of those work and what not. That's not even getting into the fact that the child can't fucking speak at this age. go on, how do people consent with a person unable to speak?
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 What does any of that mean? "sexual substances at work", what?
>go on, how do people consent with a person unable to speak?
Well, they'd cry if they were unhappy, and they'd laugh and smile if they were having fun. Not really saying you should fuck 2yos, but this isn't a good argument regardless
@applejack @Aldo2 >What does any of that mean? "sexual substances at work", what?
It seems as if the article's definition of masturbation isn't based on if the kids were willing to do it but rather dependent on which and what hormones and chemicals are in their body. By this and the "children can cry or smile" shit you're implying that "it isn't rape is she enjoyed it" is actually true, am I wrong?
All children underwent basic laboratory investigations prior to referral. Other tests included electroencephalography (n=8) and brain neuroimaging (n=9). We measured dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, 17-hydroxyprogesterone, free testosterone, estradiol, dehydroepiandrosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), and androstenedione in all participants. The median age at the first incident was 19.5 months (range, 4-36 months); the median masturbation frequency, 4 times/day; and the median duration of each event, 3.9 min. The subjects masturbated in both prone (n=10) and supine positions (n=3); two subjects used the knee-chest position. All subjects showed facial flushing; 6, friction between the thighs; 5, sweating; 9, sleeping after the event; and 12, disturbance on interruption. EEG was abnormal in one of eight subjects tested, and neuroimages were normal in all of nine subjects examined. The case and control groups had comparable levels of all sex hormones, except estradiol, which showed significantly lower levels in the case group (P=.02). Masturbation in children seems to be associated with reduced estradiol levels, but not with other sex hormones. Further studies are needed to confirm our findings.
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 What? Are you retarded? Masturbation means masturbation, they're looking at how that's related to hormones
@applejack @Aldo2 "masturbation is masturbation" not in a context where even by their metrics, the shit lasts for less than 5 minutes, being done by human beings who literally cannot survive in their own because they don't know what they are doing.
Even if I accept that children masturbate, by that standard again, you're implying that you agree with the sentiment "It isn't rape if she enjoys it" Please let me know that you mean something else, please
So you're retarded, got it
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 They're not responsible enough to blindly do what they want, but they do still have genuine sexual or romantic feelings, and that can still be expressed healthily in a marriage
>Consistent with our findings, masturbation has been reported to start in most children before 2 years of age
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47718104_Infantile_and_early_childhood_masturbation_Sex_hormones_and_clinical_profile