look loli culture is weird af and you'll never catch me on some sus shit.
that said, lolicons are oppressed. I'd even go as far to say they are the new gamers of our generation 😂
@carlosruzu don't you mean *pedophiles?
Or are you denying that lolicons have pedophilic tendencies?
**Not that I'm siding with the "oppressors" here, I'm just trying to be truthful.
@Aldo2 funnily enough more often that not, its the antis you have to worry about. Usually actual pedos won't actually come clean and honest about them being, well pedos, so they will do anything to downplay their horrififc actions and whatnot.
Not only does this completely contrast the nature of most lolicons, as they tend to be unabashedly for lolis and whatnot, this also describes the loli harpers more often than not. Thus why it checks out whenever the people that harp about lolicons being pedos actually tend to be outed as pedos themselves, kinda like those mfs that harp about lgbtq laws being in the closet
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 There are lots of lolicons that admit to being pedos, we just get banned a lot
>horrififc actions
99% of us have done nothing
99% of that is just bias. Giant sample with a handful of occurrences makes you think it's a regular thing
@applejack @Aldo2 the heck do you even mean by this? Do you not think that liking kids is bad? If your point is that most lolicons aren't pedos, thats literally my exact stance
Having an attraction to those younger than oneself (this includes being attracted to teen/pre-teen children) is neither good, nor bad. In fact, you could say it's natural.
If pedo = child-rapist/abuser, then yeah (and there are definitely some who seem to have made it their goal for these two things to be made synonymous). But, obv, that is a wholly simplistic understanding.
I myself have come a long way.
I'd argue that many lolicons (#notall, maybe not absolute majority, but a sizeable chunk) are in denial or terrified of their "secret" getting out. And they're terrified because, to them, having any pedophilic tendency at all, no matter how benign, (for example, thinking, "wow, that 13 year old is attractive") means that they are a rapist-murderer.
@Aldo2 @applejack you could make the argument that its neither good or bad for their to be an attraction (although imo, its def not good). However, there's no ethical situation, regardless of who's in the wrong, where an adult can consensually have sex with a child.
In regards to lolicons, as established in the other thread with Beard, that main thing that seperates them from pedos is they themselves seperating what they are attracted to from realistic depictions of children, a lot of them just not being hard for that shit once its too realistic. Its a shame because like you said, a good amount of them are in denial/secretive due to social presssure that was in place to prevent any sexual attraction to minors to prevent pedos
> There’s no ethical situation
I don’t mean to be...That lolbert retard guy....But...What if the child consents/initiates?
That is THE ethical situation...
*And I’d just like to reiterate, obv not every child is as “developed” as each other. The point is, there are definitely, verifiably some who do understand these “adult” concepts, sometimes better than actual adults.
@Aldo2 @applejack in theory yeah this should work but the issue is that we don't have a verifiable way to know that these mfs know what they are doing as in being able to go into their mind and be like "ok they can consent". Hell, as you know I'm of the idea that kids don't even have any sexuality (specifically peeps below 13) so how tf do you allow this realistically? Its like the situation of a drunk woman approaching you, clearly sloppily and then regretting it in the morning, only this time, you can't tell when the woman is sober or drunk. At that point, its better to wait for her to be in a situation where she can't be drunk before you advance, like how society has the age of consent as a guideline of "ok this person can actually understand the nuance of consent"
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 They're not responsible enough to blindly do what they want, but they do still have genuine sexual or romantic feelings, and that can still be expressed healthily in a marriage
>Consistent with our findings, masturbation has been reported to start in most children before 2 years of age
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47718104_Infantile_and_early_childhood_masturbation_Sex_hormones_and_clinical_profile
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 What does any of that mean? "sexual substances at work", what?
>go on, how do people consent with a person unable to speak?
Well, they'd cry if they were unhappy, and they'd laugh and smile if they were having fun. Not really saying you should fuck 2yos, but this isn't a good argument regardless
@applejack @Aldo2 >What does any of that mean? "sexual substances at work", what?
It seems as if the article's definition of masturbation isn't based on if the kids were willing to do it but rather dependent on which and what hormones and chemicals are in their body. By this and the "children can cry or smile" shit you're implying that "it isn't rape is she enjoyed it" is actually true, am I wrong?
All children underwent basic laboratory investigations prior to referral. Other tests included electroencephalography (n=8) and brain neuroimaging (n=9). We measured dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, 17-hydroxyprogesterone, free testosterone, estradiol, dehydroepiandrosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), and androstenedione in all participants. The median age at the first incident was 19.5 months (range, 4-36 months); the median masturbation frequency, 4 times/day; and the median duration of each event, 3.9 min. The subjects masturbated in both prone (n=10) and supine positions (n=3); two subjects used the knee-chest position. All subjects showed facial flushing; 6, friction between the thighs; 5, sweating; 9, sleeping after the event; and 12, disturbance on interruption. EEG was abnormal in one of eight subjects tested, and neuroimages were normal in all of nine subjects examined. The case and control groups had comparable levels of all sex hormones, except estradiol, which showed significantly lower levels in the case group (P=.02). Masturbation in children seems to be associated with reduced estradiol levels, but not with other sex hormones. Further studies are needed to confirm our findings.
@carlosruzu @Aldo2 What? Are you retarded? Masturbation means masturbation, they're looking at how that's related to hormones
@applejack @Aldo2 "masturbation is masturbation" not in a context where even by their metrics, the shit lasts for less than 5 minutes, being done by human beings who literally cannot survive in their own because they don't know what they are doing.
Even if I accept that children masturbate, by that standard again, you're implying that you agree with the sentiment "It isn't rape if she enjoys it" Please let me know that you mean something else, please
@carlosruzu @applejack bruh, when I first learned how to jack it, it was like 10 minutes of “what the fuck is this, how does this work?” Followed by like 1hr in the nearest cubicle.
@Aldo2 @applejack something you chose to actively explore. Can you say the same for a child experiencing what's essentially hormone changes?
No, I can't, really.
But I can say in that my personal case, I'm a late bloomer, so, in reality, everyone else was doing this shit years before me (i.e. before they were 10 years old).
@applejack @Aldo2 what you call masturbation is clearly just sexual substances at work without the child knowing how any of those work and what not. That's not even getting into the fact that the child can't fucking speak at this age. go on, how do people consent with a person unable to speak?