@racuna it’s true, wakanda appears to be the sole function black society

@racuna @gruyere

If you read the history of the slave rebellion, and what the colonial powers did to Haiti afterward, you would see why it is the way it is today.

Imagine Russian style sanctions, but harsher, on an island republic of ex-slaves. Not to mention agricultural sabotage done as revenge to starve the ex-slaves.

And that republic had no allies like Russian had China.

1804 Haiti was amazing...I'm surprised it's existed as a country this long, to be quite honest.

It's gone through many trials since.

Oh yeah, just learned that USA and Canada planning to invade Haiti.

If you have time, read links below in order. You will see how an ex-cop in Haiti who is trying to stabilize Haiti (after their leader was assassinated, um...was it last year or 2021?) against growing gang elements is himself now being characterized as a gang leader.

I don't know all the details, but it looks fishy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7JVDvP1Ldk&t=1178s

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/haiti/article272138847.html
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@Waerloga @racuna I agree that Haiti has had a hard lot. Calling it amazing in 1804 is a bit of a stretch. By the end of the Haitian Revolution Port au Prince had been burned down (for the second time iirc). Most of the infrastructure on the island had been destroyed. Within a few short years the only way to get the economy back on track was for Dessalines to force (former) slaves to work in plantations again.

Haiti suffered from the same problems that most Latin American revolutions suffered from in that it became a string of strongmen that wanted autocratic rule and to fleece the population to enrich themselves and close friends.

Haiti had had tons of trials from outside sources as well, but it’s disingenuous to say that’s the only source of its troubles. Could it have been a better place if the world embraced it directly and immediately? I don’t know and neither does anyone else.

Also, man, that shit with the president’s assassin being an FBI informant is fucked up.

@gruyere It's amazing that 1804 happened, and from the perspective that other mostly black (slave population territories) in the Caribbean...it was pretty impressive.

Being Afro-Caribbean myself, I would have rather been in Haiti in 1805 as an ex-slave than elsewhere in the Caribbean as a slave.

@racuna

@Waerloga @racuna ah, ok, I misunderstood. Yes the Haitian Revolution was quite the impressive happening. Brutal and terrible, and absolutely impressive.

Certainly if the choices were slavery or not I’d pick “not” as well. The post revolution forced work was not so cruel as the previous masters.

@Waerloga @racuna @gruyere It seems like they would be happy enough biking around in the mud if the glowies and politicians would just leave them alone. I hate the Antichrist.

@PorkCow @Waerloga @racuna

Yeah, I mean, established powers fucking with developing countries is a tale as old as time. Some get a lot more fucked than others, but someone out there is always fucking with your way of life.

@PorkCow Yeah and a lot of people fail to realize that Haitians that get to go abroad make all this money and buy up all these homes, and then visit home often or even move back while keeping those property portfolios abroad.

There is no place like home for them.

They have an incredible work ethic (as far as Blacks are concerned, they are probably 2nd only to Nigerians) but they love the simple island life at the same time.

@gruyere @racuna