Trending page of Artstation rn

@hideki @hideki If only Da would join in but that website is a lost fucking cause....i gave up on DA way long time ago when Wix acquire the website.

Also how can you offer NFT / DA "protection" and generated ai art services at the same time??????
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@siinclaiir they care about artists but not enough to not profit out of them it seems.

To be honest, i think it's the users, the ARTISTS, and not the companies, who are gonna steer the trend to the good way. More people need to join these voices that demand to artists to be respected in the spaces created for them, and even more if such sites already ask money for premium treatement.

@hideki @siinclaiir

No one cares about artists, only art.

@book @siinclaiir If people don't care abour artist, then they don't care about art, they just like "pretty things"

@hideki @hideki @book @siinclaiir
That's some bullshit. If art requires meta knowledge than art has no inherent value.

@Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book

Yes, if you only care about the final result then art is meaningless.

@hideki @hideki @siinclaiir @book
The final result is the only part that has meaning. A half finished drawing in inherently less valuable than a finished one, and the finished piece can and should be evaluated separate from other considerations.

@Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book

If people only care about the final result and do not care about the motivations and struggles that are behind it, then it's something that will end up fading over time because it's something that's just "there".

There's this album by Metallica called "St. Anger" that every fan of Metallica likes to hate, and they hate it because to them it sounds awful and very different of what Metallica was doing until them.,

If you are someone who only cares about the final resul the story ends here, the album is shit, discarded, next thing.

But then this documental called "Some Kind of Monster" comes along which is all about how this album was produced, and you end up seeing that there was a lot of struggle, change and internal conflict present in the making of this album, then the album suddenly takes another dimension, you pay more attention to the lyrics and the sounds ad then you see this struggle reflected on the sounds being produced by the band.

The majority of fans still likes to discard the album and they go to the more clinically produced albums because "they sound better", and since they don't really appreciate the band, just what they produce, they fail to see that there's something to appreciate right there.

To me, it became my favourite album of them ever.

@hideki @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir

>But then this documental called "Some Kind of Monster" comes along which is all about how this album was produced, and you end up seeing that there was a lot of struggle, change and internal conflict present in the making of this album, then the album suddenly takes another dimension, you pay more attention to the lyrics and the sounds ad then you see this struggle reflected on the sounds being produced by the band.
You learned more about the product and it enhanced your enjoyment of the product. It's still the product you are enjoying.

@book @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir

My enjoyment of the product was enhanced beacuse i learned the background about it, it was no longer just about the final product. Otherwise it would have been discarded as another thing.

Paradoxically, the least albums that i like about the band are the ones that were created during the phase of "well, i guess we're big now so we have to keep producing more". That usually have the most classic and commercial hits.

Implying producing the AIs that generate this art is some trivial task. I guarantee you, it’s way more of an accomplishment to write one of these AIs than it is to produce art at the level they generate. There’s your background on how the art was made.

These artists need to git gud, and I don’t doubt for one second that they will. But only after they’re done whining that their generic anime tiddy “creations” or whatever are now something that can be generated by a fucking computer program.

@hideki @NEETzsche @Reluctant_Weeb @hideki @book
>Implying producing the AIs that generate this art is some trivial task. I guarantee you, it’s way more of an accomplishment to write one of these AIs than it is to produce art at the level they generate.

Nobody is saying that at all in this thread. Of course its more impressive a group of people was able to make an the AI. However whats not impressive is making art by typing words in a prompt. Obviously artists have an issue with that aspect, regardless if its fine art or anime tiddies.

@siinclaiir @Reluctant_Weeb @hideki @NEETzsche
>Obviously artists have an issue with that aspect,
Do they have a legitimate issue though, or merely a greedy and entitled one?

It’s about as legitimate as anybody else whose job got automated away. How legitimate was it then?

@NEETzsche @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @hideki Not legitimate at all. There is a legitimate grievance there, but that isn't it.

Well, the funny thing is, I’m not even of the view that artists are going to be truly automated away. I’ve seen what these AIs can do and it’s really flawed. Artists will need to modify the output forever, given the current algorithms, and no amount of dataset or training will fix that. So what these AIs will do is increase the output of artists, since they can run the script and then edit the output.

Furthermore, what these AIs generate is pretty cookie-cutter. You run a few prompts on even the most sophisticated of these and you can figure out what it’s like. I’ve already seen people announce intuitively which AI generated a particular image like it’s an artist: “That’s a Midjourney.”

So the real talent of artists in the future might be formulating new styles to generate and then keeping that style a secret so other AIs can’t replicate it.

But this whining about AI generated art is like whining about the emergence of the assembly line.

@NEETzsche @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @hideki The process by which these images exist involves a fair deal of artistry. You don't just put prompts in and get an image out. You have to erase the parts you don't like, and re-add prompts iteratively. You sit there on your little tablet with your little stylus like all the other "artists" do. It's really no different, except there is far more alienation of labor.

Right. That’s fair. I’ve done some basic stuff where I draw like a doddle that’s in roughly the right shape as the image input and have it fill in the details for me, and that technique actually works quite well.

All that being said, just imagine being offended that your hyper-generic art non-style can be rendered totally redundant by some computer program that the general population can access for $10/mo.

@hideki @NEETzsche @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @hideki @book I'm mostly waiting for the egregious cartoon beanface to be replicated and animated in AI to fan the flames. Hopefully this would push cartoonists to actually improve and stop getting too comfortable with overdone designs.
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@berkberkman @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book Yeah i hope the AI puts all the calarts crowd out of business, ironically speaking(?)

What i think is that AI is not gonna go away anythime soon, and short of that, AI is gonna be more present in everyday life as time goes on.

What i advocate in the case of AI generated images are:

Firstly that people realize that these tools can be ethically used and far from their use being discouraged, people and artists should be educated about it. Since the technology is new, you have to tell people that just because you have a gun you shouldn't be around shooting people because you like it.

I advocate for places where this content can be posted without making noise to the places where artists post theirs tuff, so to not make their craft less relevant, moreover, in places that were from the start dedicated to them.

I want to artists to flesh out more their art because i want to people also to appreciate the art because of all the dimensions that come with it, and not beacuse is something aesthtically pleasing (or not pleasing but provocative), but because there's actual craft and skill behind them.

@hideki @hideki @berkberkman @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book
I think the disconnect we're having is that I believe the craft of making an art is valuable insofar as it helps get to a finished product. Knowing that an author redrafted 200 times can be a good lesson for someone trying to learn to write, but the finished product is the same no mater how many tries it took to get there. I'm fine with machine learning art being segregated from human made art, or being marked as such (a more realistic and better solution I think in most cases). But I won't turn down a piece of art because of how it was made.