Hideki @hideki@gameliberty.club

@w If you're doing this, you're doing w whole ton more than what the average SD or Midjourney user does, the great majority of them just use the standard models, tailoring and training your own models based on your custom needs requires skill yeah, i would say it's more of a technical skill rather than an artistic one (but yeah you have to also make a lot of qualitative selection of the images).

Of course it has it's merits, and i say it's a technical one (which i don't think it's a small thing, i know that for experience.) rather than an artistic merit because, even tough you went to these lenghts to have the model construct the kind of images you want, it's still imagery based on pre-existing data created by other artists, and there's little-to-no say on delicate and minute stuff that could make an image a work of art. Stuff like line weight, shading, stroke direction, implied meaning of a pose, everything that an artist decides to include (or not) based on the work is not there, it's based on interpolations and asimilation of existing data.

At the end my argument would boil down to: we are comparing apples to something that looks like an apple, and may taste like an apple but certainly it's not, and it's not gonna work when making an apple pie.

@w

I don't know, probably there is some kind of merit, but i seriously don't think the amount of skill merit is by any stretch similar.

You could argue that yeah, having a car in a good state enough to be in a race has merit (even if you just bought the parts and someone else installed them), but then again, you can't really claim that you should be given the gold medal in 100 meters flat because you ran through it faster than other people that trained every day using their legs.

Then you have these people pumping AI imagery nonstop at a breakneck speed and polluting spaces that traditionally were for people to exhibit their skill. Pixiv is having that problem.

Look, i am not at all against of people using AI as part of their artistic workflow (at least if they actually put effort into them and don't just make minimal adjustments to the raw outputs.) I've used it to get composition ideas and the like, but these people seriously arguing that AI Imagery engineering has nearly the same effort merit as someone that actually know what it's doing, that uses their artistic knowledge and physical effort into doing ther works, it's beyond cringe.

Look i'm not at all against people using AI as part of your creative workflow (at least if they actually put effort into their art and don't just do minimal retouches to a raw output), i've done it myself, but these people pretending that AI imagery is comparable in effort as the works of people that actually knows what it's doing, it's beyond cringe.