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The removal of Spinster from F-Droid is yet another proof how extremely subjective hate speech is and completely unsuitable as a moderation standart.

gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/m
handbook.spinster.xyz/the-rule

@succucirno @matrix Well yeah, of course. They should run their own repo. I'm not for total censorship, just deplatforming them from the easiest methods.
@kaikatsu @matrix People like you destroy businesses like YouTube, Facebook, and now Twitter. You do more harm than good.

Also, anyone who supports VISA/Mastercard deplatforming are worse than normal website deplatforming proponents. Why? Because VISA/MasterCard are in such a regulated industry that the barrier to entry is obscenely high. In those cases, they are no longer private companies as far as I am concerned.
@kaikatsu @matrix

Why don't YOU try starting up a new credit card company?
@kaikatsu @matrix

Money is required for sites to operate. SubscribeStar had to go to an overseas processor. Probably one where MasterCard is unable to deplatform payment processors without legal consequences in that country.
@succucirno @matrix Bro I'm just a shitposter I literally cannot comprehend your muh freeze peach problems
@succucirno @matrix

@kaikatsu : "If X associates with Y, then X is just as evil as Y"
Also @kaikatsu : "Since X associates with Y, Y should not associate with X because X is evil but Y is not".
@matrix guess I'll have to add it to the tentative list of my Uncensored Droid repo, no matter how much I dislike it… Let's be real, though, these single instance branding app forks like Gab and Spinster hardly even qualify as an independent software project. Same with Koyu.
@matrix eh whatever, it's dead simple to add a repository to fdroid, you can literally click on a link in a browser and it'll open up in fdroid and add it, dont even have to dig through settings
@matrix Make your own repository, and host it on your site.

@succucirno Just thinking about it, but it's probably a gigantic pain in the ass and not really worth it.

@matrix Once you get it set up, you can have your users add the URL.

Other than that just host an APK.
@matrix "We don't take those terms lightly" "We are NOT a safe space"

:02lul:

"extreme racism"

So will you need to be XXX Super Hitler to be banned for racism, or does "extreme racism" just cover actual and borderline racism, while their definition of "racism" covers FBI crime statistics and other inconvenient facts?
@matrix do you take constructive criticism on your posts?
@waifu @matrix Radical feminists aren't people and don't deserve rights, honestly
@druid @matrix
>site 1 says 'no bad words'
>site 2 is created with the sole purpose to say bad words but it also has a sign that says 'no bad words'
matrix: i see no difference here

@waifu @druid
Site A: "No words we dislike"
Site B: "No words we dislike"

@matrix @waifu I don't know about you but I have no interest in having an internet experience where I'm expected to read all the garbage that comes out of anyone's mouth regardless of intent or validity

I agree at least that I don't like having *other people* make that call for me which is why I have my own instance, but this instance MRF's a few others such as kiwifarms becuase I really just don't want to read or deal with that garbage, and my block list is super long

The only reason the concept of "free speech" has any intellectual validity is because of the state model. Because we have no choice in state participation, when states censor speech, they censor our ability to express ourselves. Corporate monopoly / union (same shit really) censorship is the next worst thing becuase it forces people into the same position: Conform or lose all ability to access ordinary services.

On an interpersonal level I see absolutely no reason why I should be expected to listen to anyone's garbage if I don't want to, and I certainly feel no moral obligation to listen to shit I find objectionable without punching whoever's saying it hard in the face.

tl;dr free speech is essentially a phantom, a spook. We only hold onto it as a best-fit concept because the architecture exists to provide something meaningful for us to be free *from.*

@druid @waifu
I somewhat like sifting through garbage.
I agree. That's not the problem here. I'm not saying you can't block people. I'm saying that hate speech is anything you want it to be, so if you use it as a standart for moderation, you are a shitty moderator and that we shouldn't legitimatize it in culture.

@matrix you're pathetic, you're retarded, and you love to act like you're standing up for something greater but you have never ever ever done anything for anyone in your life
@matrix that's constructive criticism, just like spinster is a feminist site that disallows hate speech

@waifu There are different strands of feminism...
Most retarded in different ways.
TERF's irrational hatred of trans people is makes sense within their idiotic world view.

@matrix @waifu If you accept the retarded premise of all men being bad and all women being good, then it makes sense that they'd hate men pretending to be women.
@ArdanianRight @matrix ah, yes, random fse user coming to the terf's rescue, because they're so oppressed on the internet

listen, this isn't between me and you, and transwomen are not "men pretending to be women". I recommend you sit this argument out, and maybe every next argument after.

(Yes, you got blocked, literally don't bother responding, go play fateGO if you're so bored in your free time)
@waifu @ArdanianRight @matrix

> transwomen are not "men pretending to be women"
Prove it.
@kro
lmao theres nothing to prove, least of all to an anonymous dipshit antagonist like you

we just exist and always have

@waifu @ArdanianRight @matrix
@ThisIsLeeloo @ArdanianRight @matrix @waifu If you had no argument, why even cry like this? You can exist, but it doesn't mean you're not playing pretend.
@ThisIsLeeloo @ArdanianRight @matrix @waifu OK so you can't prove against it and you just wanted attention. Got it.
@kro if being a disgusting creep is what you're going for, congrats you've done it
@ArdanianRight @matrix @waifu
@kro @waifu @ArdanianRight @matrix
Since objective reality is unfalsifiable and what "she" is stating contradicts observable reality, there "she" can't prove shit
@TheMadPirate @ArdanianRight @matrix @waifu Such is life. I don't get why people like him don't just accept they're pretending and go from there. A useless push to distort reality is only making things harder.
@kro @ArdanianRight @matrix @waifu
Because they would have to psychologically deal with a reality they can't cope with. Playing "three wise monkeys" is just easier for them.
Take this example, treating a very serious and life wrecking mental disorder as "part of nature" by expecting their concioussnes to he able to rewrite reality just because they wish to be something they are not
@kro @waifu @ArdanianRight @matrix
Also, Kro, that was a trap.
It was worded so anyone attacking "her" had to ask for proving a negative.
@TheMadPirate @ArdanianRight @matrix @waifu But epic 2008 memes told me those are the same kind :theunbullied:
@lolicon @ArdanianRight @matrix Probably not but the part where I tell you to play a gacha game still stands
@lolicon @waifu @matrix I don't even care about TERFs or trannies or any of that shit. I'm explaining their logic. Also fuck the idea that anyone can tell me what arguments I can or can't participate in.
@waifu @ArdanianRight @matrix
Three words: Sexual Identification Disorder.
And no, biology is not a social construct.
@ArdanianRight
for one, i dont think you know what feminism is

for another, no you're still wrong, even that logic doesnt make sense and radfems would embrace ppl with dicks taking estrogen

but the thing is, regardless of whether they call themselves feminist or say its about their religion or whatever, anti-trans bigots almost always really just want to enforce traditional gender roles

the ones who call themselves feminist just do that because appropriating terms and labels and symbols from their original meaning has always been a tactic for creating violence

@matrix @waifu
@ThisIsLeeloo @matrix @waifu I think it's hilarious how attached you are to the stupid label of feminism. Any idea that promotes egalitarianism promotes a harmful falsehood and deserves to be thrown in the garbage, and all the derogatory terms like bigot, racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, etc. are just tools to bludgeon people into accepting what is obviously not true.
@ArdanianRight have you ever read the story of fox and the grapes?
i think you'd like it @matrix @waifu
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