@matrix top left needs something different imo, it's clear that the goal is to just seize such companies

@orekix
Isn't giving them money contrary to that goal?

@matrix Nah, you want to nationalize them because they're the largest companies, like the tendency towards these massive monopolies is seemed as intrinsic to capital and not something that can be fixed at a local level, yeah it's nice when you help people at smaller shops by buying from them but not enough people are going to do it so you want systemic change by getting rid of the predatory monopoly by putting such companies in public ownership. In theory of course.

@orekix @matrix so they normally rail against the big corps because they're private, but secretly help them grow so they become monopolies and seizing them is two birds one stone.

@cereal @matrix it's not railing against big corps and secretly doing other stuff, the tendency towards monopoly is expected to happen as a result of capitalism relying on extracting surplus value, the central point relies on the labor theory of value, as opposed to the marginalist's subjective theory of value

basically you want these corporations to be owned by workers themselves so you get the full reward of your labour

@orekix @matrix and now let's turn to reality where we haven't met our quota of shoelaces for this year.