@matrix Something else I'd like to add, the coomer argument only applies if the man or women in question isn't doing what is necessary to better their situation. Shit it doesn't even have to be porn related. In the 1920's they blamed their problems on booze for fuck sake. Oh and Japan has a healthy sexual culture. The west has an unhealthy sexual culture. We either suppress it because it makes Jesus sad or like any vice we over indulge in it because fuck modesty.

@matrix If we just treated it very nonchalantly aka oh someone made a porno, eh who gives a shit I've got better things to do, then a lot of this wouldn't be a problem. Obviously we shouldn't be encouraging women to be acting like sluts and etc, but at the same time we shouldn't be telling people how they should live their lives. More like presenting consequences and etc. The issues are complicated and need to be dismantled and honestly it all starts from parents raising their kids.

@matrix I guess in AA's mind I was corrupted as a child because I watched too much Dragonball Z, Gundam Wing, Tenchi Muyo, and YuYu Hakusho. Never mind western shows like Batman The Animated Series having traditional masculine and feminine roles and sexualizing the women. Also never mind Swat Kats, Thunder Cats, Gargoyles, Spider-Man The Animated Series, X-Men, etc. None of those shows were appropriate. Little boys and girls should watch Davy and Goliath or some dumb shit.

@matrix discussed, not dismantled. Sorry kind of tired when I'm writing this.

@MorphBox @matrix
>japan
>porn sold in quickie marts
>love hotels
>compensated dating
>"healthy sexual culture"

@Godcast @matrix compared to what's going on in the West, yeah I'd say it's pretty healthy. Love hotels aren't encourage and neither is buying porn mags and etc. It's the opposite actually. They don't ban it either. You just get dirty looks and etc. Basically how the West used to handle things like that.

@MorphBox @matrix thats a completely insane metric

@Godcast @matrix No, it's the correct way of handling it. You let people fail or indulge in their vice in a healthy way. If you worked hard and are choosing to sleep with a beautiful woman you either don't know or barely know I don't see an issue with that if you have no desire to have children or a relationship. If you're just letting life pass you by and are just masturbating, you've bigger problems than just jerking it. Clearly one is winning and the other is losing.

@Godcast @matrix *you've got bigger problems* had to make the correction there.

@MorphBox @matrix thats a cute idea until civilization starts breaking down, as we're presently observing

@Godcast @MorphBox @matrix you're talking about healthy sexual behavior with someone from baraag

@James10550088 @matrix @Godcast So because I use this instance, my arguments are automatically invalid or did you mean something else by that comment? Me thinks you're being dishonest.

@MorphBox @matrix @Godcast I dont care what you thinks

@James10550088 @matrix @Godcast Ah thanks for proving my point.

@James10550088 @MorphBox @matrix this is true

@James10550088 @Godcast @MorphBox @matrix
>Is on baraang
>Opinion discarded

@Godcast @matrix is it breaking down because of over indulgence or because we gave people the freedom to choose? The problem is that society couldn't come up with an argument against people be sexually depraved as we see in pride parades beyond muh Jesus. That crowd overplayed their hand and now the proverbial chickens have come home to roost. Maybe instead of doing dumb shit like that, instead just make the argument that maybe you shouldn't do that stuff because X, Y, and Z.

@MorphBox @matrix overindulgence. 100%. Any society that abandons traditional sexual morality has a three-generation countdown to collapse. I highly recommend JD Unwin's exhaustive "Sex and Culture" for more. Your ignorance is striking. Not only has the moral argument been deployed against hedonism, but the data is on the side of sexual modesty. Trannies killing themselves at record numbers and fags fucking each other to death should suffice to prove my point. The only chickens coming home to roost are those of braindead, psychopathic social libertarians whose entire moral framework orbits their next high, and the only question they ask is "What's the worst that can happen?" So far we're up to "trans kids."

@Godcast @matrix Your hyperbole is quite amusing. As I said the issue is complex and the USA had a healthy sexuality with brothels and etc. They weren't encouraged and people generally frowned upon you if you went to such places. The consequences for these actions were you basically becoming a social pariah. Then the government stepped in to try and "fix" the problem. This resulted in street hookers and lots of unsafe sex. Oh and before you say "Um actually that happened in brothels too"

@Godcast @matrix yes I'm aware of that. Al Capone didn't die from gun shots and etc after all. However you had far less of these issues because of society frowning on such a life path for women and men indulging with them. Also my morals are to live you best life and to not allow yourself to be controlled by your vices. Indulge in them if you wish, but never allow the vice become your life. Very Stoic as that's what I am.

@Godcast @matrix Oh and BTW I'm aware of the numbers in terms the trannies killing themselves and etc. These people need help and no not from God, they need help on a human level and not a socialist one. As for trans kids, I don't know anyone beyond leftoid retards who think that is a good idea in terms of ethics and science. For everyone 1 child that has Gender Dysphoria, you have what 10 normal healthy children?

@Godcast @matrix *live your best life* had to do another correction.

@MorphBox @matrix You had far less of the issue because vanishingly few people participated in deviant sexuality. You can't simply insist on "this far and no farther," that's an argument you've already lost. Christopher Cantwell had a similar morality, until he found himself addicted to meth. You can gripe about other's problems becoming your problems as much as you like, but vice breeds vice, and suddenly your libertarianism cou ts for nothing. If a crack den doesn't spring up in your neighborhood, then they'll just vote to put one there.

@Godcast

@matrix ah yes more hyperbole. Meth and wanting to fuck are not even remotely close. If you are doing meth, then you need to seek help immediately. Also every human has a form of a vice. Smoking, drinking, thrill seeking, fucking, religious fanaticism, fanaticism in general. All it takes is moderation to maintain the use of the vice as I've already said.

@Godcast @matrix
The crack house on the street corner wouldn't exist if the government and big pharma propped up by said government gave them the power to control drugs. Honestly legalizing all drugs is the solution to that problem.

@MorphBox @matrix "more access to drugs means less drugs" 🤔

@MorphBox @matrix meanwhile in reality, we've seen a rise in drug abuse, harder drugs and deadlier drugs right alongside more permissive attitudes towards sexual deviancy. So there's that point sunk. Saying "people just need to moderate their smack addiction" is braindead wishful thinking and part of the reason the US has a gigantic heroin problem. But keep hitting me with what-ifs

@Godcast @MorphBox @matrix this sounds like the "if one is 'high-functioning' and not directly causing bodily harm to others, then the vices one engages in are okay/morally-neutral" argument?

@scalar @MorphBox @matrix that's libertarians in a nutshell. I know a libertarian who could make it to work on time despite a crippling fentanyl addiction if he was into that. They project their proclivities and autism onto others.

@Godcast @matrix @scalar Gotta love those bad faith arguments. Can't let your opponent have any say in the matter, gotta shoot them down immediately. That's totally showing you have strength in your convictions.

@MorphBox @matrix @scalar Make valid points and I'll start treating you like someone who deserves respect instead of mockery and scorn.

@Godcast @matrix @scalar LOL I see someone doesn't like to hear what the other side has to say and has to construct logical fallacies to win the argument.

@Godcast @matrix Never did, you're constructing a strawman. Also I'm basing this on reality and history. If you deregulate something and just let the community handle it, things tend to be better. By having over reaching power, like what the government did in the roaring 20's with prohibition, you get increase in violent crime, sex abuse, and everything else we're seeing today. The solution, ban prohibition.

@MorphBox @matrix
>"I'm basing this on history!"
>rattles off ahistorical circumstances and retarded libertarian talking points

Uh huh. I'm pretty sure Somalia has what you're looking for. How's that working out for them?

@Godcast @matrix LOL you're not even trying anymore dude. Now you're constructing weak ass examples to justify your weak ass arguments. How about you stop living in a fantasy and look at reality for what it is. You wanna pray to God or whatever fine I don't give a shit, but to argue that the only way to fix the West's problems is to go full tilt into God is retarded.

@MorphBox @matrix I wasn't trying in the first place. Dunking on idiot libertarians comes quite easily to me. The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why letting people smoke crack in the streets and deal in child pornography is beneficial to society. I know you have trouble understanding that reality is a real place, but let's take a look at American religiosity and how it corresponds to a rise in drug abuse and sexual deviancy: It's 1:1. So there's that point sunk also.

@Godcast @matrix I have never argued for Child Porn as that is a violation of that child's autonomy because they don't understand consent. The child is incapable of understanding such a concept. As for smoking crack, again if it's a burden on the community then it's their responsibility to make sure that individual get's the help they need. That's literally how we handled things before the Government tried to "fix it".

@MorphBox @Godcast @matrix

@MorphBox @matrix yeah, because hookers never gave anyone VD in a whorehouse, right? I wasnt being hyperbolic, if anything, i understated my case.

@Godcast

@matrix
Thanks for reinstating my point. Also yes you were and you know nothing about US history.

@MorphBox @matrix
>no valid points
>still embracing failed "live and let live" ideology

@Godcast @matrix Ah you love the strawman argument. Ignoring my points and evidence I provided and constructing a grand fantasy on how tradition will save the West. Spoilers, it didn't work for Japan, it doesn't work in the Middle East, and it didn't work in China when they tried it. Traditionalism much like Communism has been tried and it has ultimately failed every time. It's just much slower to fail since it's baked into conservativism ideology.

@MorphBox @matrix You haven't provided any evidence. You've just been idly speculating about what would happen if everyone was an autistic midwit libertarian.

@Godcast @matrix So history isn't an example of evidence, OK bro.

@MorphBox @matrix Making allusions to "history" isn't citing historical circumstances.

@Godcast @matrix No, but citing historical facts is. You're just being selective because it doesn't fit your narrative.

@MorphBox @matrix You've only cited muh prohibition, as if the idea of banning hooch sprang spontaneously from the ether.

@MorphBox @Godcast @matrix are you going to ignore the elephant in the room of jews pushing "sexual liberation" via mass media and legislation? maybe what works for the Japanese (if it can be said to be working, even though they were conquered by (((Americans))) ) does not work for all races/ethnicities?

@lichelordgodfrey @matrix @Godcast

@MorphBox @Godcast @matrix faggots are the next logical step when allowing fornication. As fornication detaches sex from its intended purpose, that is reproduction.

@AnimeTradCath @matrix @Godcast >Looks at username
>Ultimate Trad Fag

@AnimeTradCath @MorphBox @Godcast @matrix Yes here Father Ripperger mentions how the demons lead us from one sin to another like that. It progresses from fornication to homosexuality and abortion. Thank you friend.

@bebe @matrix @AnimeTradCath @Godcast coming from a person who's part of a religious organization that funds whore houses, condoms, etc. Oh and that's not getting into the raping of little boys. You're gonna have to try harder fam.

@MorphBox @matrix @AnimeTradCath @Godcast Actually friend the priests are less than half as likely to be the pedophiles as the average person is. The reason that it is talked about much more heavily than other cases is because the media wishes to protect the actual pedophile rings out there, and because they hate Jesus Christ and his Church. Thank you friend.

@bebe @matrix @AnimeTradCath @Godcast Yes because the Catholic church didn't do this millennia.